Sg World Cup

I've looked through the messages that were said, and my alerts did suggest certain people were in the lead on the SG board (and they were), but never said anything about what the competition was measured for. They were definitely misleading however and I have apologised for that.

As it happens the announcement post was a little vague, and I like many others assumed it would be based on points, so I added a bit of commentary to that effect.

As far as I'm aware, no-one was told for definite if it would be points, kills or winners, I've even checked through staff chat logs, it seems the topic just didn't ever come up. I wasn't told until after the competition had ended.

If we were to give full reward the players based on points, there are at least 3 players from the top 10 I would have to disqualify from the competition for points boosting. Some of these have already received lower rewards for winner counts, and received the prize money, so it would take a lot of effort to remove the rewards and prize money from these players.

Since the competition wasn't based on points, there wasn't the need to disqualify players for mild points boosting.

We have already given the event medal to the top 10 players by points, which I think should make up for some of the confusion.

 

So we are rewarding the players that cheated? I hope you're kidding with this statement. Why in Gods name where they not already disqualified? What message are we sending? "Oh, it's alright to cheat because their are no consequences"

It will take a lot of effort? Is that effort not worth giving money/prizes to the people THAT DESERVE TO WIN. I'm past the fact that it was done by wins, I wasn't even going to talk about this until I have just read this.

Why does it matter if it wasn't based on points? These people that boosted still killed these other people who could have had other things that let them win games.

 

The people who were points boosting were just doing that, and since the competition wasn't based on points, they didn't actually benefit from it, so there was no cheating.

There would only be cheating if the competition was based on points.

It also seems that the announcement post contained no list of rules of what you can or cannot do, so while I would consider it cheating, people would argue it wasn't against the rules, and we'd be having these arguments anyway.

 

When people die, the result is less people in the game. Say that I'm boosting, you Andrew, and Revan are going to let me win and kill all 3 of you. If their are 6, and my buffer is running out soon (Or not even that just to end the game quickly) I proceed to my boosting partners, then go to death match and win. If I hadn't been boosting, it would have given the other people more time to gather up armor, or even allow some kits to recharge. I don't understand how you can't see the affect of boosting and winning games.

Also, when it comes to the final 2 with me and Andrew, if we're boosting then obviously I'm going to get the win. This is because he isn't trying to kill me.

This is absurd. Somebody was already reset for boosting.

 

I don't care about that. It's the fact that people are known to be cheating and are still getting rewarded. I stopped caring about my prizes a long time ago lol

 

When I had a look into the boosting complaints, most of the people who were boosting were doing it right at the beginning using boosting to get massive points from kill streaks.

As far as I'm aware, a good number of people in the top 20 were part of an SG Team, which were assisting each other in some way or another, there was no real rule against working as a team. While I would argue points boosting is just down right cheating (if points mattered), working together to kill people, and holding temporary truces probably isn't cheating. Hell, that was even done in the movies.

When you exclude the points situation, what the boosters were doing, wasn't much different from the other teams who were taking part.

You say it was "changed to wins". There is no evidence that it was ever anything other than wins. While when I read the announcement posts Revan posted, I assumed it was points, like many of you, it seems I was mistaken.

 

This was one heck of a mix up. Later survival games could be judged by the wins and points combined? What I mean is two different boards. One with ones and one with points. In that case I would've gotten 5th. I think this would be a new and interesting way to judge the strategy. It gives the players two components to think about. Thank you @KHobbits for apologizing. I am fine with these standings because I know I was in first for points. I conclude this message with a thanks to all my players and good game.

 

I urge you to go look at My stats, Georgie's stats, and Konan's stats. We teamed the entire time. We stayed up all night together. In the last 30 games, I didn't kill Georgie or Konan even once. Konan never killed me or Georgie even once. Georgie never killed me, and killed Konan a single time. This one time was when it was only them left in the arena. Now, I encourage you to go look at BackToThePast's stats. Look how many time he killed his TeamRheas buddies (Kick_Me_1235, 7amoodw, Shadowballxx1 and FleetFooter). You will see the difference between boosting and teaming. Not a single person I mentioned previously killed BackToThePast a single time.

By killing his teammates, BackToThePast gains many, many advantages which ultimately /could/ help him win games. For example, it could increase the speed of the game ultimately leading to him winning quicker, and being able to join more games. Also, he gets the advantage of his teammates items. When killing his teammates, BackToThePast could end up getting a decisive piece of armor, a potion, a fishing rod, you name it. Those items that he received from killing his teammates can (and did) help him win.

Not to point the finger at Back and all of TeamRheas, but it was the most obvious with them and the easiest to explain. You're right in the fact that people were mainly boosting for big kill streaks and points. However, that doesn't change the fact that it still effects the out come of the game and who the winner is.

 

You can still view the sg cup board, and change the sort order yourself:
http://www.ecocitycraft.com/sgcup/
Click on the columns to change the order.

 

Ok. What if I had different alts. They had kits, buffers etc. However I agree with alpert. Most of the time there were 24 people in sg. If I had 10 alts/boosters that would make it only 14 for me to kill. That is 10 less threats. That helps a lot.

 

If Revan had provided a full list of rules and guidelines about what was allowed and what wasn't, we just simply wouldn't be having this discussion. As it happened, the announcement post was very vague and there were no rules made public about what was allowed and what wasn't.

In the past SG events we have disqualified people for blatant points boosting, and allowed the sort of teaming you mentioned.

Personally, I'm not sure that was the right decision, and I've actually had a talk with Revan on this topic already. I think in the future there will be a much longer post detailing how the competition will be run and the rules that will be in place.

 

That's what was said about the SG Bowl event. This is the second time this mistake has been made.

 

That isn't teaming. That is straight up, outright boosting. Look at the difference between the 2 "teaming" examples I gave. Also, for another clean example, look at Master_Blaster12. He was teamed with Jhebert2012 the entire time. In the last 30 games, he only killed Jhebert2012 3 times. There is a difference between teaming and boosting.

Although, there were not specific rules laid out, our current normal rules are just fine for enforcing this. Our common sense rule for example. That is pretty common sense not to cheat.

The fact of the matter is, something is either going to be done about it, or we're going to allow the cheaters to get what they wanted. The prizes. Clearly you understand my arguments, and it appears (correct me if I'm wrong please) that the only rebuttal you have is that the rules were not clear, or that isn't boosting. There is really no counter argument to that. We could sit here all night as to why that was or wasn't boosting, and the rules were not clear. Again, it comes down to whether or not you want the cheaters to win.


Thank you for responding to my posts and speaking to Revan about improving any future events so they're fair.

 

Ultimately I'm not the one that organises the events, I'm just the person that gets asked in to fix technical issues such as 'make a copy of the sg stats so we can run an sg cup'. I cannot from my position promise anything, but I have had a discussion with both andrewkm and Revan, because if nothing else, I've been put into a position of having to apologise to players.

When I was discussing this previously, my opinion was that what you described could be considered cheating, but the other staff in the discussion disagreed. From what I'm aware, the practice you described above, was used successfully to win a previous sg cup. I wasn't involved at all with the previous competition, so I can't really make any comments on it.

Ultimately if you want that sort of practice banned, I suggest you make a personal appeal to Revan, so she keeps that in mind when drafting up the rules next time.

 

Why is @KHobbits the scapegoat for this situation? Where is @Revanrose6 with a more direct source of info, not just a middle-man...

Also by your logic, boosting wasn't technically cheating, but boosters were dq'd anyway. So by that logic, @Altabyte and other DQ'd users (assuming they reached top 10) should receive an Event medal too unless I missed a detail.