Scammed Money or Items Returning Idea So the whole point of this thread is about how money and items are not returned, if scammed/stolen. I have had money scammed from me in the past, as I also know many others have. This is extremely annoying, if someone is banned for scamming, although there is evidence to show that the user has scammed and still the money or items are not returned. I understand how the staff want to give the user in question a chance to redeem him/herself by paying or giving the items back. However I feel that it would be a good idea if when the user is banned, that the item/money was removed from the user who done the scamming, and was given back to whoever was scammed. I have decided to make this thread, as I feel many people would agree, in how they have been scammed, but yet they don't get the items/money back, even if they have evidence. What I think should happen is that there is maybe a page where you can post threads and link the complaint that the user was banned from, and from there the items are returned into a chest in the users town, when a member of staff gets a chance. I know that if this happens people will want to claim back items/money that have been scammed in the past, however I think that would be a lot to handle for the staff, I think, that it should be from now on, that if an item is scammed, and you can prove it, also linking a complaint where the users was banned, the items should be returned. Thank you for reading this, and hope that this is acknowledged, to not just users, but also staff. I think this would make people feel safer when loaning money, or items, and knowing that if the item or money scammed, the user in question will be banned if there is clear evidence, and also people will get there money/items back, and they will be a lot happier on Ecocitycraft. Rhys Chalmers Ecocitycraft User
-1 What if the money has been thrown in lotto or they had bought nstars, etc... After the money gets tranfered, what if its in a sign. If Rhys is ur first name and Chalmers is your last name, Ill be jealous of ur name
I understand where you are coming from, and it is possible any of these could happen, just a thought, maybe members of staff could find a way around this.
It would be probs quite hard to find a way around that problem. Once the money is gone it cant really come back in unless if it was given to another player and will a return. Like buy nstars or buying anything. With lotto, once its gone, its gone
I'm at 2.1mil total scammed. I, along with others, have made suggestions like this in the past. All denied. Not to say this will but it is very hard to do this. And frankly, scamming can help the economy.
I've seen people leave because they lose everything the the felon gets away with the reward. I'd like to see a solution hopefully.
Pros: People get their money back and everyone is happy... well not really, read below. Cons: Inflation. A large majority of the players that scam are lottoers (correct me if I'm wrong). This means that more than likely, the money that was scammed from you will have been lottoed, and eventually lost before they are banned. That means that the amount that you loaned them is back into the economy in another player's hands. Now you are suggesting that you are refunded. This means that the amount you loaned out is multiplied by two. Now imagine all the players that get scammed. This will lead to a crazy amount of inflation which will just turn into a domino effect for the economy. Even if you can somehow find a way around it, it is way to risky of a change to make. Loaning has no risks. Loaning is meant to be done by the people that have the money to do so. If player's were refunded, there would be no risk in loaning meaning that anybody could loan without worrying about losing a dime. When there are this many people loaning out money, the payback rates decrease. More work for staff. I assume that repaying would only be able to be done by our five admins, meaning that there would be a lot more unnecessary work for them.
I like the general idea of this but I don't think this is the way to do it. The flaws have been pointed out above, best done in @dumdum71's post above. However, I think a way we could possibly work around this is a form of loaning. Say OJ gets banned for scamming, and I'm out 5k. When he appeals, give me 5k, and instead of repaying it to me, he has to return it to the sever. It would take some of the risk out, but not all of it. You'd still have to chance whether that person would appeal. We could also then, if the money hasn't been returned to the server at the end of the deadline, force the confiscation of EcoDollars/Property to repay it. If they can't repay it after the confiscation, ban them -- if they can, issue a tempban because they forced use to confiscate things. Pros: - People get repayed quicker if the person appeals. - Scammers don't control the money of the scammed. - Scammers may get items/money confiscated, meaning they will be out of debt quicker. This could possibly prevent them from scamming again. It could also scare them away from reaching that point. Cons: - More work for the staff who have to do it (although at least speaking for myself, if it's something that helps and greatly improves someone's time on ECC, I'm more than happy to give up some time). - Removes the "people" aspect (scammers wouldn't be able to negotiate alternate deals with their victims afterwords -- payments would all have to be in ECD) - There would need to be a way to work this for item scams and the like.
I like this idea a lot. Means the people who are scammed get there money back straight away and the person who scammed gets punished properly.
When in the heck did any one suggest getting anything more back than the person owes? Why would some one get double back? Lmao logic fail
I believe you misread what I was trying to say. I was saying that if the player scams you and then puts the money in someone else's hands through lotto then the server refunds you, there is double the money in the economy. I never said that the player scammed is getting double the money.
What about taking the scammers /bal to a negative number and paying the victim back when they get unbanned? Then the whole lotto lover problem is solved. This isn't perfect, but it is decent.
I really like this idea, nicit6. But what happens if once they scam someone they put the money into lotto, or buy something, so once they are banned they don't have the money/item. Do you or any other members have any idea's of ways around this? I would really like this idea's of nicit6's to be added, and I think it would make people think twice about scamming. Thanks for reading, and comment your thoughts on this suggestion. Rhys Chalmers Ecocitycraft User
