Remove diamonds from aether

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  1. WallyBean

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    As the number of people exclaiming in global about all the diamonds they get from the aether goes up, maybe before the economy is over whelmed they should be removed. Right now its flying + aether exposed diamonds on the bottom of islands = free piles of diamonds. There is alot of concern about the price of pumpkins or feature affects of the economy but I guess we might get more donators buying fly/speed and aether ranks if they knew it meant free and easy diamonds.
     
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    No. Just no.

    For starters... aether is $20,000.

    Second... to even do it properly you need Fly, which costs $60 US Dollars.
     
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    I realize both those things ievolive, how hard is it to save up 20k? Couple days if you feel like farming. $60 is a substantial chunk compared to others but why not just give people who buy it free stack of diamonds every day and lose the pretense that people are earning it? Kind of makes a joke out of the whole economy when its backbone currency is free to anyone who donates $60.
     
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    Aether has finite diamonds.

    Kuke, hoking, wolvie and I raided most of them already.

    Also... no offense (really)... but this would sound a lot more credible if you actually had aether access, because it just sounds like someone whining over an unavailable opportunity...

    [Edit]
    Also, you have to work to get diamonds in the aether, and at least half of them fall into the void.
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    Have to agree with iEvolive here. Diamonds cannot be sold to server, so there really is no inflation, the only real issue is that people can be sitting on stacks of diamonds and sell them to others, but seeing as it's not an easy task stopping them from getting into the void, and most are lost if you don't take the time to prevent it, it's not a huge benefit for someone who spent 20k for it. and also, yes, it's finite, meaning that before long, the diamonds will be gone.
     
  6. kukelekuuk

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    at first I got 3-4 stacks of diamonds, Today that was 40 diamonds.
    I was mining for 30 minutes.
    I know of at least 6 people who do this and the diamonds are most likely almost completely gone within a week or two.
     
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    I am looking for a legit server and I like to make legit buildings etc ievolive so justify a easy exploit however you want man, I am not jealous, I am dissappointed it exists and is used. I think donators should get perks for funding a server and keeping it alive but looking the other way at exploits they benefit from like this and then claiming its an economy server doesn't seem right. Yes its finite, and yes you cannot sell it to the server, however you can sell pretty easily each diamond for $85 a piece to saps that bought the wrong donator features or ecobucks with donations. I would sell players the ability to use the xray mod for less then flying because at least they have to dig and mine down to the diamonds and it takes longer to walk around the map.
     
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    Try flying around the aether and finding diamonds, you would be surprised at how difficult it is.
     
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    Didn't sound to difficult when wolvie was on global exclaiming at all the islands with diamonds about 15 minutes ago man. I have had flying before as a moderator and its hard to be a ground walker again but it also makes looting abandoned mines to easy so I don't miss having it for that. I enjoy a challenge and I like trading but now I gotta wonder if the diamonds I trade people for were simply gathered off exposed surfaces in the aether in 10 minutes. I realize most people don't like to actually mine legit because it takes a long time to acquire much of the rare resources, thats why they are called rare though. Doing it like that would feel like gathering chests full of dirt, not a challenge and no accomplishment or achievment in doing so.
     
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    I don't think Andrewkm or Khobbits can turn of the diamonds from the aether (I may be wrong)
    So it's etheir no aether or this kind of stuff happening once in a while.
     
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    Wolvie was most likely exaggerating.
    Reasons diamonds are difficult to find:

    1, Most islands are ABOVE diamond level and most you will find is a diamond vein with only 1 diamond occasionally.
    2, The islands are far apart.
    3, Navigating in the aether is very very confusing. (especially when looking from below) you will find yourself going in circles a LOT.
     
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    I was talking about this with andrewkm, even worked out what commands would fix it...
    There are a couple of (none?)-issues though:
    * The aether should have some reward for mining, regardless, and since the islands aren't really deep enough, for proper mining, this makes up for it.
    * Diamonds aren't server sellable
    * The aether is rather small, unlike the normal map, the available area is quite limited
    * The aether has increased risks/perks, since you always have the chance to fall to the death, and the limited available building material, it makes sense for there to be some perks to make up for that.
     
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    Thanks for the feedback. I have no issue with people being rewarded for mining if they are legitimately mining, finding exposed veins while flying around the base of islands doesn't sound risky or like mining however. If you walk around enough can find exposed coal and iron on the normal map but it doesn't give reward on par with selling diamonds to other players. When I first joined I assumed the aether was another name for The End they created for people going thru portals in the strongholds but alas sadly, no fighting dragons etc. The way I understood it to be now is just floating sky islands with no allowance for griefing and pretty much for peaceful building since no hostile mobs either. The only risk that comes to mind is falling to your death, I assumed the peaceful map with no griefing allowed was the perk.
     
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    At least 50% of all islands in the aether are above diamond level.

    At least 30% of diamonds fall into the void (generally).

    Here is a list of all the things you must do to get diamonds from the aether (the right way).
    • Obtain aether access ($20,000)
    • Obtain Fly (EcoDollar value of $100,000+)
    • Find some diamonds (time taken: 15 minutes (average))
    • Mine them without having them fall into the void (losses to void: 30% (from my mining))

    Total cost: $120,000+
    Time taken: 15 minutes or more
    Losses to void: 30% or more

    And yeah, like kuke said, the aether is a confusing place.

    Also... at the rate it's going they'll be all out by the end of the week.
     
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    I have fly and Aether access, and I would actually like diamonds to be much scarcer. Not gone, but far less. In the Aether.

    Even if you cannot sell to the server and you likely pay real money for fly, anyone can control the economy. No one seems to be realizing this. -.- D0rc should even know, he fixed the [diamond] economy once, or at least set it back to a better state. Mass amounts of diamonds in SELECT FEW PEOPLES INVENTORIES gives them a lot more control than anyone can imagine.

    I don't want a "corrupt" economy. I understand the benefit for the price it costs to get those diamonds easy, but I am looking at this in a different way. There are too many diamonds. :/
     
  16. kukelekuuk

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    Mining diamonds in the aether is the same as mining in the normal world, sure its easier and faster but it runs out quicker too.
    Whats the difference between a temp
    orary diamond boost in the aether and the constant diamond mining in the normal world?
    All those diamonds end up circulating in the economy anyway.

    And this thread is sort of useless noow that most diamonds are gone already.
    Within a week things will return to normal and people will mine normally again.
     
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    People seem to forget that the ore generation in the aether is different. I've found diamonds at level 40....
     
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    This.
    I don't have fly but also mine diamonds by using dirt. I've found diamonds near grass level in the Aether, and usually a vein of three or four, not just one. Also, using dirt can improve the void rating of diamonds dropping from 30% to 99%.
     
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    Just incase you don't know what the aether looks like:
    [​IMG]

    Ignore the staff chat, sios is always at fault.
     
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    [2:09 AM] <@andrewkm> I think the diamond situation will be over in a matter of days
    [2:09 AM] <@andrewkm> Ppl are raiding them hardcore

    People are forgetting that is very true.
     
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