Raise in crop prices.

mcmmo was extremely overpowered tbh
people still get 8-9k an hour with pumpkin farming so there is no need to increase the prices.

 

Agreed

 

We needed to deflate - MCMMO being gone is the deflation we needed.

If price went up at all, it should never go up more than 0.50, and maybe not even higher than 0.25.

 

I actually think it should be lowered by .25 or .50

 

I always wonder why people miss the price suggestion section but I guess its kinda of a hidden sub forum. For me sugar cane grows ultra slow and is totally worthless from a time/value standpoint. Same goes for the hassle of wheat. At least mcmmo you had a small chance to replant the wheat. Only reason to plant either is feeding passive mobs or leading them somewhere and making a few bookcases.

 

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I hardly make 4-5k anymore for nonstop farming for an hour on pumpkins, and I'm not the only one. Did you actually try, or are you just guessing based off the percent chance of double drop from McMMO? Because I have a feeling that the chance was a bit off after McMMO was removed and I'm farming without that.
I know of several people who are making about as much as me, which while compared to mining makes since, even mining really needs a buff right now due to lack of resources. (Mining World? ?)

In my honest opinion, at the moment, the economy could use some change. It went from mining and farming being "balanced" for a while, to McMMO prices, and now, the before prices aren't coming back/mining has no resources/nether is too laggy for many people to do EXP farming/farming is harder because of chunk changes.

My point here is, that while the economy needs deflating, it's gone a little far... Not only has the price of both mining and farming decreased significantly because the prices didn't revert when McMMO was removed, but EXP farming is nearly impossible without spawners in a town (No one has that at the moment.), Mining has no resources due to so many players, and Farming is extremely limited due to so many players... This all happened during the time we had McMMO, so now, with McMMO gone, and prices not going up, it's a significant change. It's like McMMO never happened, and all methods got harder, then prices decreased. So in short, money got much harder to make, then prices went down by a third. That's a HUGE difference in this economy, and all at once like this is going to take a while for the player economy to adjust to. I understand with all the new players that the economy is inflating at a really fast rate, but still...

(Not to mention lottery tax :3)

Right now, it's a little too hard to make money in my opinion. I'd like to see some changes to help it a bit. Even if it doesn't get any "easier" to make large amounts, I'd still like to see a mining world/hopefully it's possible to fix the nether lag (Not sure if possible). (I know nothing can be done about the farming. I'm already taking advantage of my knowledge of farming to make the best possible farm. It's not like it's impossible.

If nothing can be easily changed/will be changed, then I guess I'll just have to deal with it.

 

I agree that the economy needs some tuning in general but farming does not need a buff. If I really want to I could make 8k, but I would have to non-stop farm. I think this is a good number and does not need a buff/debuff. Again I wish we had a mining map.

 

d0rc compare the amount of money we make now to the amount of money we made 5 months ago.
At that time reedfarming was profitable and made 6k (it still does with a good setup)
now people have had more money than that they want to keep that "lifestyle" and pumpkin farm, then we got McMMO and we could get EVEN more money, McMMO was removed and people started to complain because they already became reliant on it.
The majority of people are no longer bitching about McMMO, but now they use McMMO as a tool to get prices up to go back to the high profit farming without realizing that it will just introduce too much money into the economy making it inbalanced.

Right now you can make 8k an hour with a good pumpkin farm set-up.
you can make 6k with a good reed farm setup
And about mining, I do agree we need a mining map there are stripmines all over the place.

 

Kuke Compare Prices to when the server first came out <---- THIS IS NOT A VALID ARGUMENT.

We're dealing with the server at hand - not the server 5 months ago Kuke.

I agree with d0rc. "Making money" is just insanely hard at the moment. Farming or Mining - Its the exact same. Most users *Like my self* have taken to exploiting the new builders who refuse to farm or mine themselves and keep asking for jobs. <---- THIS IS HOW BAD ITS GOTTEN. Dude Even XxEmuxX is getting farms built for Wheat. If you can't see a problem with how hard it is to earn money your blind or ignorant.

My Next town costs 400k. Without Lottery Do you think its even possible to get near that? Under Emu the Next highest active Person doesn't even have 300k. <--- This is a testament to how screwy its gotten.

 

Nonstop... Meaning I'm always mining a pumpkin...

You can make it so they grow faster, but when you are mining them nonstop, growing faster will no longer effect the price. If by mining it nonstop for an hour makes 4-5k, then making it grow faster will not make me 8k an hour.

I'm not sure how you make 8k an hour, or how other people do, but if people are still saying/advertising they make 8k an hour, consider the fact that people still need to adjust to there being no McMMO, as well, they could use enchanted items. Anybody making 8k an hour for it should try it now, without any enchants. If they still make 8k, then I guess I'm just stupid.

Also, I'm not just talking about farming itself in this post. I mean period, the economy is a little screwy right now. With EXP farming requiring a town with multiple spawners up next to each other for a decent profit compared to farming, and mining having no resources, some changes need made IMO.

Edit: Also, Wolvie is right. Comparing prices to the past prices makes no sense. There is a reason prices changed... When the prices changed, it was an improvement, not a bad thing. :|
The only reasoning I see behind that is that things need deflating and that's why the prices went down, however, I honestly think we need more money dumps, because lowering prices for /sell isn't lowering emu's balance.

 

It seems to me that the progression of how fast you can make money on this sever stops after you get to mayor. As a builder I could make like 2-4k an hour depending how lucky I got mining. I then got resident and made a small pumpkin farm. This got me 4k plus as a resident. Now I have moved onto larger pumpkin farms where I can get 7-8k+ an hour. There is no way to make money faster as I see it. It seems to me that in real economies (please don't start hating on me because of this example) that the rich get richer faster and you have to work and work until you get to that point where you can make money incredibly fast. I think that this may be what Wolvie really wants as he said he needs 400k to get his next town. I don't think he meant a builder making 5k an hour is small income, but him, a president, making that is a small amount of income.

 

I totaly agree with Zaneus...
The only difference with our econemy and real life is that in real life rich people have people workiing for them so they are always making $$$$$$, even when they are asleep or something. In ECC you usaully only make money when you are there in person...

 

You are not supposed to be able to spend hours and make 50k.

It is supposed to take time and HARD WORK to make money for things. Things are difficult because they SHOULD BE.

Want to be lazy and make a lot of money in a short time? Well... too bad. :/ I mean really, you should have to work hard for something like a 200x200 protected area. It shouldn't be easy. Find other ways to make money; maybe mine under your farm(s) as it/they grow. Do business in trade/auction while you wait for growth.

I personally am not a farmer and haven't farmed in a long time, but I do still see people making 7-9k an hour from their pumpkin farms and other farms. Some farms may even grow faster when they are further from other users, grow faster at night or during the day (real life, on/off peak), maybe the amount o mobs on the map effects it... It could be the exact way farms are built. To be honest, I think people need to explore all the possibilities and effects things can have on farms before trying to get the price buffed.

Before MCMMO, far as I remember, the price of all farming was exactly the same as it is now, or very similar. At that time, it was about the same amount of money gain as some people are still getting. Everyone became reliant and excited about making money fast with MCMMO, and now that it is gone, they don't realize that it was balanced beforehand and MCMMO actually inflated economy..

 

mhm.

They shouldn't be this difficult... Have you seriously tried making money? Try it.

My 16x16, most efficient farm possible doesn't have much space to go mining under it... Mining also is extremely impossible as everyone knows by now. Read my post. As well, it's hard to do business with others in trade/auc when you have nothing to sell to make money due to lack of mining resources/EXP. Yeah, great idea. I do agree with actually working for the money though, just not this hard for it. Nobody likes working this hard. This is harder than it's ever been...

Or, you could be like me and know exactly how farms work, and it has nothing to do with mobs. It's the amount of players online/where you put your farm/farm size/shape/design. Yeah, I have the best possible farm being made right now.

...Read my other posts. As well, prices were lowered (Pumpkin prices especially.) When McMMO was added. Remember?... Andrew lowered the prices of both mining, and farming, everyone complained, McMMO came like the next day, and then everyone understood. NelsonLim was like the only person who made more money farming than he did before McMMO. Everyone else still made less. Basically, if you worked extremely hard, you would make more money then before, but if you didn't, you'd make less. McMMO deflated the economy.

The economy may need more deflation than that, but this is going way too far in my opinion. With the prices of towns not changing, it's harder to get towns than ever before.

Off Topic: Edit: @Wolvie, I was hoarding money for my super nation but failed D: I will spend my money, just not for a long time...

 

Your a Mayor - Your Point has become Invalid.
You don't have Pilot or Captain
You don't have Survivor, Warrior OR Terminator
You don't have President.
You got it all for free With Moderator <--- Your Opinion Has become Invalid.

What you just said is like a homeless man telling someone how to get a job. You own ONE TOWN. What that? not even 90k? You haven't had the struggle of getting president - Or even the struggle of getting something you want - your never on the server being creative In the One town you do own. (your town hasn't changed much in the past months - Yes I've looked). Its Ironic - We find something that can make money and it gets nerfed. <--- We're at the point where everything in the economy has been nerfed because Its been Overpowered. The Point of lowering prices is to reduce money in the economy - Not to put the economy into a place where Its value is so low everyone's Poor.
(*We are not Simulating the American Economy - This is Minecraft DAMNIT!*)

Once again your argument has been brought back to McMMo - This Has nothing to do with McMMo If People can't look past that - there nothing short of Ignorant and Stupid. Go Mine for an hour - than go farm for an hour. Either way you wont even make 8k. *4k is standard*. Now think about this a new town costs 400k 450k than 500k roughly for me. So 8 x 50 = 400k (8 is a MAX price u can get divide that by 400 you get 50). So 50 hours of pure mining or farming will equal a town. <--- No one can farm or mine 50 hours straight and most of us are only on for 3-4 hours a day. So you'd need to be on the server for 2 weeks doing nothing but mining or farming to earn a town. (At least at my level). <---- That Doesn't seem right by any means!

This is what I don't like about Our Economy - The Lottery is the "Only" way to make money because its become a collaboration of everyone's money in an attempt to get one person the money to do something - Unfortunately Its come down to XxEmuxX - Jetscat - Rezonl - D0rc - Camcliff... You know... people who refuse to spend the money they win from lottery. They want to be rich and stay Rich. (Even though its FAKE MONEY AND HAS NO VALUE).

I'll still stand by the fact I'm the only person to win a MASSIVE lottery and Spend it.

This is Minecraft - The Name of the Game is to be Creative and Have Fun - Its not to simulate real Life. We need to lose the "Hardcore Economy" Title - We are not a Hardcore Economy and its about time some people realize this. I hate to be the one to say this but you know what... I think Rezonl saw this before all of us... but he went about it the wrong way *as we always do* but I honestly Think I see a dire issue.

You might not like my opinions but there my opinions - I'm not forcing them on you. However I will put them on the front Line - My Opinions Worth as much as your Opinion, Its just mine bring Passion to the fight.

 

^ 50 hours, of getting extremely lucky in mining, or having the most efficient farm possible, which can be extremely expensive/take a lot of time. Not to mention the need for EXTcommands or tons of diamonds (Which are hard to come by these days, because mining is 'underpowered'.)

 

Calling her points Invalid don't help your Argument, Wolvie. Just because she doesn't have things doesn't mean her points aren't correct. She doesn't need to have these things to be Right.

You do have the right to your own opinion. You, on the other hand, Don't have a right to Insult her. You may not of meant it, but that how it came out.

Just because i'm not a Mod, doesn't mean my points are Invalid.

 

I don't get all the people blaming mcmmo for everything from inflation to global warming and gasoline prices. You know why people are not still bitching about mcmmo kuke? Cause all the threads with it got locked or ignored. Whats the point in beating a dead horse that ain't coming back? Oddly its still blamed when people make a suggestion on anything.

Mining world(s) never got a response from Andrew, someone copy and paste the first post of my thread on it, might have better results.

As wolvie stated, the hardcore economy tag does need to be dropped. People trading for a few items among a few others, having a shop, or being impatient and just flat out buying ecodollars, does not make a hardcore anything, especially not an economy.

Moofink I agree it should not be easy to get everything however when I have suggested at least removing simple and easy to obtain items from the store you argued that would make things to hard for you. You can't have that both ways.

I made a multilevel farm with an easy use setup, I use diamond non enchanted axe. Making about 4-6k an hour. Thats fine with me or I wouldn't bother with it, however people pulling numbers out of this air saying 8-10k all the time should probably stop. Maybe if you are using an enchanted axe you get double or triple drops and you can boost it to that, but how much did that enchant cost you or time procuring the exp to do it? Also who has the mental fortitude to farm for hours on end? I mean people act like because you CAN do something for an hour(s) people actually would and are, all the time, every day. Its not happening. The lottery tax is good deflation, prices on diamonds are half what they were when I joined in the beginning of January. Thousands of new players, some using xray and selling what they found probably have something to do with all the ones in circulation too.

 

Insulting her is, to me, a low move. Not nessary, and you rank does not make your opinion invalid/valid. There is no need to insult anyone.