I went through the rules today and a few I don't really understand (I find them stupid really) so I decided to make this thread. Clause 2.3 - Player Run Lotteries Any player run lottery is disallowed and will be treated as attempted scams or actual scamming depending on the situation. This includes any type of raffle or lottery that requires a buy in. I understand the logic behind this rule but why isn't there a rule against casinos? Every casino on ECC has a big house edge so it can be considered as a scamming attempt. Clause 4 - User to User EcoDollar-to-Real Life Currency Transfers Real life money/items being given for in-game items, EcoDollars, or anything else within EcoCityCraft is not allowed. If an investigation ensues and concludes such a transaction took place, or may take place, all users involved will be severely punished. EcoDollars also may not be used for real-life transactions, including real life tangible items and minecraft-related items away from the server. All EcoDollar transactions must be EcoCityCraft related. OK... I don't see why this is a rule at all. People are free to do whatever they want IRL even trade real items for in game items or ECD, that is their choice and also there is no way this can be enforced except if people admit that they did it and even then it would be highly stupid to enforce the rule. Clause 3 - Harassment Disrespecting staff falls under this rule - They are players too. (I will assume this goes for all the players on ECC) Does that mean that if I say "I don't respect the staff team" or "I don't respect [insert player name here]" I will get banned or does it mean that I will get banned if I talk s**t about them? I think I should have the right to say if I do or don't respect someone if I choose to without calling them names or being rude to them.
1. Those arent your first person to pm me 2. ECC doesnt want account selling either. If you are caught you are banned. ECC is not a marketing place. 3. If you talk s*** about them, you get warned and/or banned.
I can do a quick breakdown: 1. Frankly, I don't have a good answer for that one. Casinos were allowed before my time on staff, and that simply hasn't changed. I wouldn't see an issue with banning casinos, but I'm sure there are those who would - post a suggestion about it, I would like to see more opinions on the idea. 2. It basically falls under what we can and can't moderate. Say you agree to sell me $100,000 ECD for $5 USD. It's easy to prove whether the ECD is sent should a complaint arise, but there's too many variables regarding the actual payment of $5 USD. While we could of course adopt a "We don't enforce this kind of thing", that just opens the door to players saying "I have evidence, why can't you do anything?" (lotto teaming is the best example of that, you see that argument a lot). It's far easier to ban it altogether. 3. You don't need to be disrespecting anybody while on ECC. That's what that means. You're free to have your opinion. Act with respect towards everybody and this shouldn't be an issue.
You mentioned lotto teaming- is that legal and if yes, is it proteced by staff like any other contract if the players have screenshots of the agreement?
Lotto teaming is allowed, but not enforced. It doesn't matter what evidence you have, we won't enforce it.
if user-user real life money-ecodollar transfers would be moderated in the same way lotto teams are, what's the difference? why is one allowed but not enforced and one not allowed but still would not be enforced? people will realize that making a complaint won't help anything the first time. lotto teaming (when it was first in use) had plenty of complaints for scams but those have lessened now that people realized theres nothing you can do. I believe the same thing would happen with these money transfers so why not allow them?
I would assume that if IRL money is involved, it could result in actual legal disputes/issues. Either way that's not a rule that I see changing - it will only end badly.
Since we've kind of covered the bases on the other two points, I'm going to go back to the casino question. As an owner and manager of several casinos on the server, I can guarantee you that it is A LOT harder to scam people than one would think (this isn't to say that I've tried it, but that I've seen it attempted by others, none of which worked well for the scammers). People that go to casinos frequently know how games are run, they can see when they're being hoodwinked, and it's usually pretty obvious. Every trick in the book has been done and caught, and though some still try to get away with it, the bigger places are always the safest because everyone knows you can't be successful from cheating. In the end though, it comes down to the player using the casinos as with any transaction. It's your job to make sure you're not getting scammed.
Legally speaking money transactions between the player and the server shop are labeled as "donations" and donations are given without return consideration which means that the feature we get in return is a gift and that means that the donor (the player) has no legal claim on both the money he/she donated or the feature (gift) he/she did or didn't get. But the transaction of ECD for a feature is another story. In this transaction we have return consideration (player A gives X amount of ECD to player B who is expected to provide a feature in return). Now this thransaction can be both looked at as a donation via proxy (an ECD donation from player A to compensate player B for the X amount of $ he donated) or as a trade agreement between the two players and in that case player A can sue player B if the contract between them is breached by player B and vice versa. Now gameplay wise its safer to buy features from the server but legally its better to buy them from another player because you have some protection from the law.
