[Price Suggestion] Logs

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  1. WreckitRalphed

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    Now let me start off by saying, woodcutting SHOULD be more then pumpkin farming, I will argue why below. Logs currently make me 5k per hour and I have 1000 woodcutting, and mcmmo bonus plus. Woodcutting should make 15k-20k per hour, once again, I will argue why below.

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    I am aware of the nerf for tree farming but it should be more then what it is now. For woodcutting to actually be profitable you would generally need 1000 woodcutting, this takes hours upon hours to achieve. You also need fly, e repairs (major, I bought ++ and it is a major help), you need mcmmobonus plus, and to even have a chance at training woodcutting you need mcmmo+++. In total this is 250 dollars in donation features. You also need a good axe to even break the trees using tree feller. Not to mention the fact that tree farms are incredibly more difficult to make and mantain(replanting, getting rid of leaves), where as pumpkins just re grow without any effort. Although to make pumpkin farming profitable you do indeed need a good axe, and fly. However e repairs is not a must, when you are tree felling trees an Eff 5 unb 3 axe goes down about 1/8 the durability making it quite common to break a tool which is now 50k around, this will get more users to donate for ext commands ++ for the auto repair. Pumpkins however are 1 break at a time, and the tools last a TON longer then when you are tree felling. So I will list what you need to tree farm, and what you need to pumpkin farm.

    Tree Farming -
    $250 dollars in features, possibly $300
    More of a risk of breaking a 50k tool (happens very often)
    Manual replanting
    Hours upon hours of labor training Mcmmo (only 3 people including myself at 1000 woodcutting)
    Can only farm for 25 seconds, then have to wait ~3 minutes

    Pumpkin farming -
    Really only need $60 in features
    Less of a risk of breaking a 50k tool
    Automatic replanting (pumpkin regrowth)
    No Mcmmo is needed
    Constant farming, very easily to be made automatic using macro mod.
     
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    #1 WreckitRalphed, Feb 24, 2014
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  2. LaBelleDame

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    I sympathize with this argument, woodcutting has been nerfed 3 times since I joined and seems a bit overdone (I assume because just not wanted that it competes with farming/mining).

    Less noticed was a similar cut with similar effect from 40 cents to 20 cents for mining hard clay.
     
  3. Enegek

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    I support an increase in raised prices for logs. One of my friends is a tree farmer on the server, and it takes him forever to make money.
     
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    I do think woodcutting could do with a bit of balancing. At the moment it isn't in line with Mining and farming as genuine money making opportunities. I am probably slightly biased having 1000 woodcutting though ;)

    EDIT: Having thought this through a bit more, I am not sure what I think. Firstly, Woodcutting is different to many other skills - you need a high level in order for it to make any worthwhile money. Unlike mining which you make roughly the same regardless what level you have with an eff 7. So, on the face of things, It would seem fair to make it more profitable for those with 1000 woodcutting. The issue I have though is how easy 1000 woodcutting is. It took me 5 days and that wasn't even playing a lot, admittedly a few hours a day, but I was also moderating at the time so wasn't 100% focused on levelling. If woodcutting became significantly more profitable then it could seriously harm the economy due to the relative ease of getting higher levels.

    That being said, I do think it should be made more profitable a little. At least so it offers a viable alternative to mining/farming.
     
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  5. alpert3925

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    I have 1k woodcutting and many, many other people do also. The problem with the increase is those with maxed out mcmmobounusplus and an eft 10 axe on speed 10 can absolutely tare through trees.
     
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    Hum..I hadn't thought about eff10 axe (how many people have those?).

    If it is nerfed just to stop a couple of users, that's a shame.
     
  7. WreckitRalphed

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    The thing is, there are leaves that grow on these trees that arn't broken instantly, so you will have slight stops. Also like I said up top unless you have Ext commands ++ you're going to have to stop every few trees to repair. I honestly don't think people would use an eff 10 on tree farming because it can be easily broken. If you are willing to put the time into getting 1000 woodcutting, spending 90 dollars for mcmmobonusplus x3 60 dollars for fly 100/150 dollars for e repairs and a total of 60 dollars for mcmmo+++ (to actually get 1000 woodcutting) yes I do believe you should be allowed to make upwards of 15-20k per hour.
     
  8. WreckitRalphed

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    3 people have it I do believe, and like I said, I don't think these users are willing to risk the axes cause they do break very quickly.
     
  9. alpert3925

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    I agree that 15k per hour is a good price. But it needs to be tested so that normal eff 5 axe users are making 10-15k and eff 10 axe users are making 15-20k
     
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    More then 3 people have it. Backtothepast has one Mrbojangles has one Zard has one I belive kick_me has one lurkblader has one. I have no idea where you got that number.
     
  11. WreckitRalphed

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    tbh the speed of eff 5 and eff 10 are no different because you are almost always going to get a bit of a pause from the leaves on the trees, I feel 18k per hour for either of the tools would be best.
     
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    _TANSTAAFL KMaxwell are and lurkblader are the only 3 users I know that have one. Anyway, even if there is up to 10 on the server that is such a small number compared to the users with eff 7s and melon swords .
     
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    I think your tree farming a differnet way i am. I go through the line and clear the leaves before i farm, I'll show you what i do.
     
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    they have extcommandsplus2 which stops the tool from breaking altogether. They can keep cutting for as long as they want. I did the testing with joseph, who made 21-22k an hour with an eff10 axe and 1000 woodcutting.
    (meaning at the current price you can make 10-11k an hour)
     
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    I'm really not comfortable with anything getting 15k-20k an hour besides melons
     
  17. WreckitRalphed

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    Tbh 22k an hour for 300 + dollars in features and hours and hours of time training seems like a very fair money per hour.
     
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    No offense, but you say this because YOU couldn't make any money from woodcutting. There are other people who would rather chop trees then holding left click on melon blocks for hours on end. Oh, and melons make about 14k per hour tops for me.
     
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  19. kukelekuuk

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    Let's compare it to melonfarming, which requires extcommands and a melonsword.
    I agree that logs may need a small increase, but it shouldn't be allowed to make any more than 15k. Which is what melons currently make per hour.
     
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    Kuke was that testing done with or without Mcmmobonusplus?
     
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