Denied [Network Wide Suggestion] Rule Changes Regarding Pvt. Chest Wars

In Game Name:

Jdawger​

What part of EcoCityCraft is this suggestion for:

Network Wide​

Short title for your suggestion:

Rule Changes Regarding Pvt. Chest Wars​

What are you suggesting:

Adding rules to regulate privately hosted chest wars (otherwise known as storage wars, locker wars, or Mine Wars) to limit their potential scamming potential and ease community hostility towards people who do host (to stop the witch hunts/accusions of scamming on players who do host, whether it is a legit chest wars or not).

@Pab_Jr explained it really well below. This suggestion is to require that each chest of a given chest war have a sign on or next to it stating a minimum value of what's in the chest (or if the chest war is posted on the fourms, post a minimum value of each chest there as well). Basically, posting the minimum amount that someone will get from that chest if they win, even if the worth of the chest is higher. This would need to be done with each chest that is being auctioned, so if a chest wars has three different chests up for bidding, there would need to be three signs explaining the minimum value.
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Why is this a good addition for EcoCityCraft?:

Over the years, there have been many chest wars, dating back to the near start of the server. While there are ones that are amazing, there are a good number of ones that either seem like a major cash grab or a scam to some people (or in some cases when people actually buy a chest, an actual scam that is technically legal in our rules). Rules regarding chest wars have always been a major gray area, meaning there are many people who take advantage of this system to get some easy money for otherwise worthless items, or impose ridiculous starting bids on a chest that nobody but the owner of the chest can see. An example of this happened just before old main became archive. There was someone who hosted a chest wars of five chests, started the bid at 10k each, had all five chests won by players just for them to learn that all that was in there were crappy iron tools and dirt blocks, all of which were worth well under the staring bid; staff could not punish the host. Plus, there have been examples of people switching out the chest's contents to reflect on the person who won (meaning players have made a chest crappier after someone bought it because the chest owner didn't like them).

I'm using Mine Wars as a better example of good chest wars not because they are run by the staff team more often than not, but because of the way they are regulated. Each chest has a basic breakdown of value, stating the least of what you can win (like the whole 'chest is valued at at least 100k' or 'you are guaranteed a star tool in one of the chests in addition to 100k'). This gives people who want to bid on a chest a basic understanding of the lowest value while still holding the surprise of winning a chest.

The rule changes regarding chest wars won't magically stop people who use chest wars as a major money grab/scam nor magically change the community's hostility towards players who host private chest wars, but I feel like this would be a great first step towards making these private chest wars more fair for all parties. Chest Wars, if done right and fair, is a very fun event for the community, not to mention a basic staple for ECC. Just like the actual biding of real world storage lockers (usually), the people biding can at least look into the unit and see some potential items, but not know exactly what is in it; they can't touch anything inside or walk into it unless they won the bid, but can see the surface layer of items. This way I suggested tries to be just like that: a happy medium from suggestive chests and straight up giving away the exact information.​

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Like I said earlier, this isn't going to change any hostility anyone has towards private chest wars nor stop anyone who hosts it for making a profit, but it will hopefully ease all this tension when someone does host one while also stopping people who could potentially use this event as a way to "scam" bidders.

Basically, this suggestion is in the fallout with yet another heated argument on the fourms regarding a recent chest wars, making this one the third one out of four, with that one that didn't have a heated argument being Mine Wars.​

Plugin or custom addition:

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One suggestion per form:

I Understand.​

 

Also, if there is rules regarding chest wars that are similar to or exactly like the ones I am suggesting, I couldn't find them in the wiki.

 

I appreciate the remark. I guess I was unclear about what I meant regarding Mine Wars. I did kind of imply that the community trusts those events because they are run by staff, but mostly what I meant regarding that is that Mine Wars imposes what I am suggesting with the rule changes (with the stating of the rough value of each chest). Again, I'm sorry for not explaining what I meant clearly. I'm editing my post to be clearer with what I meant as it was not meant to be a suggestion that boosts staff run Mine Wars/deface private run events if they are not run by staff, but to regulate the way they are run and reduce the gray area in the rules that we had for years.

 

I made this suggestion based off some direct community input and discussion based off recent events. What do you suggest should be edited? Or should we just keep the rules how they are, having no regulation and a heated argument on the forums when someone decides to create a chest war? (this is an actual legit, non-combative question because I value the advice from an old SA+ member and can use the advice here)

 

This was pretty much exactly what I was trying to suggest. My wording is defiantly off regarding this, so I'm going to edit it. Thank you pb!

 

All good. I'm studying for my law exam at the same time as posting this, so my mind is literally all over the place lol. I did edit the suggestion. Hopefully it is much more focused on that point. All I was suggesting is add a guaranteed minimum value that a bidder can win based off a single chest and not a guess and choose which is a good bid (and not be as vague as 'There are three of chests. One has a star tool, one has a piece of dirt, one has a max iron sword. Each chest starts at 1mil, and you need to be lucky to bid on the correct chest')