Denied [Network Wide Suggestion] Discussion of auto click&fish illegal

In Game Name:

Jdawger​

What part of EcoCityCraft is this suggestion for:

Network Wide​

Short title for your suggestion:

Discussion of auto click&fish illegal​

What are you suggesting:

Make discussion on autoclickers and autofishers in global channel illegal, especially if they discuss which ones to use and how to use them, but keep it allowed in VIP and private channels.​

Why is this a good addition for EcoCityCraft?:

As the rule states, auto clickers and auto fishing is legal as long as you are not afk during it. iirc, the reason this was changed is because of the gray area and "false bans" that the original auto click/fish rule caused.

Especially since they are still technically illegal, they should not be discussed in global past the fact they can be used if not afk because people could get the wrong impression and use them illegally​

Other information:

I am suggesting this off a discussion that happened recently in chat as this seemed to be a gray area, causing half of those online to agree one way and half the other. Plus, it seems staff didn't really know either. One newer mod said it was fine and a vet smod said it should probably not be discussed, but wasn't sure either.

I think it shouldn't, but at the very least, this gray area should be addressed.​

Plugin or custom addition:

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One suggestion per form:

I Understand.​

 

Apologies with wording and such with this suggestion. I was sleepy and half-distracted with a background discussion going on in discord while writing this suggestion. Thank you everyone for in input so far. I edited intentions a little, but I'm still going to respond quickly:

The suggestion is for the staff members, but to also have upper staff quell this gray area for everyone. And as you mentioned, it is illegal if afk, but legal if not. I did change the suggestion a bit after reflection to suggest that we make discussion about these auto mods illegal in all channels except VIP and obviously the private channels. The purpose of this suggestion is to stop new players from seeing this discussion and using them for afk purposes (since, like you and I said, it is illegal if afk).

I know if I was newer to the server and I see discussion of the best auto fishing and auto clicking mods without staff intervening, I would assume they are all legal, afk and all (especially since most new or semi-new players don't read every detail of the rules). Obviously, if they specifically ask after seeing discussion if they are allowed, then staff would say they are legal if not afk, but staff would not state that unless someone asks.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't optifine fully allowed? Auto clickers/fishers are only technically half allowed and are still technically illegal if used with their intentional purposes, and even that, they were made legal because some of those who were banned for automation claimed they were not technically afk and were in front of their computer the whole time, so the rule was changed to avoid the gray area and false bans.

You were a staff member before too, Blaz, so you can probably relate to how staff works. I agree staff needs a refresher, but you can probably agree that the way these changes seem to operate is by direct explanation to staff for some of the rule change, and whatever is left is to be assumed (like if discussion should be allowed in this case). This causes some rift between viewpoints based off how they assume the rule, which is then changed from a direct statement from upper staff.

Like in this situation (I'm assuming what happened), the rule was changed and staff was told that it is still illegal to use them if afk and legal if not afk, but upper staff never specifically specified if discussion of it should be allowed since it still falls under illegal automation (again, if the user is afk) and legal under the new rule. And because of this, assumptions are made on how to interpreted this, which causes half of the server to assume one thing and the other to assume the other. I made a suggestion since, in the discussion I was in last night, it was near 50/50 on the viewpoint from those who discussed.

Obviously, this will be specified when Andrew or Clar accepts or denies this suggestion, but I still think the discussion should stay out of global (again, VIP is fine because while it is a public channel, it is for our donors and has looser rules. And also private channels have basically no rules, so obviously it should still be allowed there).

I edited the suggestion after reflecting and a good night sleep. I realized that I meant global chat and every single public channel. As I stated many times in this response, I think it should still be allowed in VIP, private channels, and private messages. I just don't think it should be stated in the global channel (as well as trade, auction, and trivia, but those are wrong channels for discussion anyway).