My ECC experience has drastically been altered for the worse.

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by King_of_the_Dot, Aug 4, 2013.

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How drastically was your ECC experience altered with this 60% wheat cut?

  1. Who cares!?! I dont farm wheat...

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  2. I dont farm wheat, but I think the price cut is unfair.

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  3. I will have to change some minor changes now.

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  4. My ECC experience is taking a turn for the worse unfortunately.

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  1. King_of_the_Dot

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    I have recently discovered the new, significantly cut, wheat price. As you know the wheat took a 60% cut. This is really devastating to my ECC experience. I have a very large water harvest, wheat farm, that I use as a hiring grounds for seed planters. It's almost 100x100 and 10 levels high. It has just recently made it to the 10 level point. In the 2 months, give or take, that I have had this farm, THCOOL and I have hired around 150 people at this farm, if not more, with no exaggeration. We've hired everyone from builders to tycoons. We have a ranking system, that can earn better positions within our organization. We see 10+ people work on our farm every night, and we have a lot of fun. We all make money.

    Our workers make 1800 for planting, the hirer makes 3-3.5k for each level he harvests, THCOOL and I take the rest, minus 800, which goes to the purchaser/owner of the land. Thats... 8k in total. This may seem like a lot, but we have to work for it! We have to find someone who we trust to harvest the wheat and place it in chests for us to sell. The person we hire to hire seed planters has to to find the workers, train them, get them assigned to levels, watch over them... CONSTANTLY! THCOOL and I have to ensure that we're paying close attention as well, and adding and removing perms and TPing the workers that our harvester foreman finds, that want to work, so despite THCOOL and I not doing the actual working, we still remain busy and are actively playing.

    We have tons of fun here. We make money, but by no means are we getting a rich. If we wanted to type incessantly and work non stop, and have no fun, then we would be rich in a few months, but nobody is making it big time with wheat. Only people who can type 100+ words per minute can even be considered for a foreman job here. Ive tried out several foreman positions, and have only a few that have made the cut, because not only do they have to harvest all the wheat, they have to watch over their hires constantly, and some hires are rather difficult, and dont respond quickly and promptly; everyone on this farm is busy, and doesnt just sit on their butt and collect money. We provide a lot of work, for various skill levels throughout my towns also, which is fueled by our wheat project. We have at least 6 people in our farm hanging, working, and having fun, every night.

    This wheat cut hurts my experience ECC greatly. I could have become mayor and president, several times, but i donate to builders and other resident's to help them get their ranks, since I have been given ownership of 3 towns already. I've given countless people money to help achieve their goals, because I enjoy sharing the wealth and helping out people who have helped me. Pouncer11, Barely_tryx_hi, Nicit6 I just gave 17500k to get his mayor rank, THCOOL gave him 35k. Ive gotten as high as 394k with this farm, but that was after a few nice lotto snipes too, and selling e-tools, because I get free anvil services, and various other ways.

    Wheat wasn't making me a millionaire, but it provided the ability to make me money, THCOOL, the main-owner, and all the workers beneath us. We have a lot of repeat workers, who PM us often to come back to make some more money. No one was getting rich, but it was worth everyone's time. A single person, planting and harvesting themselves, would not ever get rich with wheat, it's impossible. Im not making it rich, I make decent money, but am not getting rich. All 4 rankings of people on this farm make money from the seed planter to the main-owner, but no one is getting rich. We planned to open more land for builders and residents to buy and build more land on; builders and residents that we hired to initially plant seeds, who want to stick with us. We're not doing this at lightning speed, but we are doing things, relatively quickly, but because we hire so many people, and have trust ECC friends, and we're able to type quickly (I cannot stress how much and how fast you have to type when you hire several people at a time, I might not be "working", but it's work!).

    Hi Andrew, my name is King_of_the_Dot, and my ECC experience has drastically been altered for the worse.
     
    #1 King_of_the_Dot, Aug 4, 2013
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    Hello,

    I am not sure how much my opinion will count, but, here goes. I own a 200x200 wheat farm with two floors. I use this wheat farm quite a bit to make profit and have mixed feelings in regards to the price change.

    On one hand, I am sorry to say I never experienced the profits Kuke and Andrewkm mentioned, yet, it may be possible that I was simply not farming the proper way. I am sad to see the amount drop so drastically especially considering it was one of my main sources of income.

    On the other hand, if it is true, which I am forced to assume it was, then making 35k an hour is completely unacceptable. That being said, I feel I must ask if 13.5k is really that reasonable of an amount to be making. I suggest 16k per hour so it is still belong melons but is making a decent amount.

    This all being said, economies of all types change, ebb, and flow. This is all being done to avoid inflation. Andrewkm is correct and very precise in saying that farming makes money out of thin air. Farming enters money into the economy that was not there originally. So, the real question is how do we find a balance between money entering and exiting the economy. The job of finding a balance falls on the server owner and he is doing the best he can, as he always has.

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    Your poll is one sided and doesnt make it a real poll and should be taken down or blocked
     
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    It's not really biased. If you don't care about the thing, you can select the I dont care option or the minor changes which I'm sure multiple people have to make.
     
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    What about the option to say i do care and i agree with the changes
     
  6. King_of_the_Dot

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    Revan, in order to make that type of money, it is a lot of work. You have to type incessantly. Farming melons and pumpkins is easy work. So incredibly easy, that pumps and melons are more an issue than wheat. Only a few people can do what it takes to make good money on wheat, so the few that put in the work necessary to make that kinda money, are losing their life line to making money. This change is forcing people to have to do more of the manual labor themselves, because they cannot afford to hire anyone. This hurting the economy more so, because an economy is made up of goods AND services. If less services can be bought and sold, that hurts the economy just the same.
     
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    Actually, tons of things enter money into the economy, farming just takes the bullet. When the mining world resets how many thousands of diamonds are entered into the economy. How much iron and gold as well?
     
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    How many people quit? Get banned? Die? Break? All of these things? How many new players enter the economy? You didnt take that into account.
     
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    I don't farm wheat often but it sucks for those that made it their main income. So it sucks now I have to pay more money to change it to something else
     
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    I am one of ur workers and am sad that i cant work for as much money anymore :(
     
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    You have to understand that we are not only fighting for ourselves, but for the 150+ workers we've hired and more to come. This change simply makes the rich richer and the poor poorer. this is because with all these changes it has made owning either a pump/melon farm or a melon sword the only real way to make good $. At our farm we executed a daily operation in which we hired builders/residents who needed the $ to plant seeds. The pay is $200 per row OR $1800 is they finish the lvl. Now this has been going on for over a month now and i have yet to see a better paying job for the time and effort that it takes. just about all builders are clueless as to what to do, how to make money, and to get moving on the right path. At our farm we provide all 3 things. so really we are helping more people get used to the server which makes them like it more and want to play more since we helped them out. in the future this will create more donation purchases as well as more builders start to enjoy and learn to play on this server. i said that is makes the rich richer and the poor poorer because now with the price changes, we cannot hire people anymore and even if we could, they would only be paid a miniscule sum. the same also goes for other people doing the same thing as us. this makes the rich richer because they already own pump/melon farms and all have pumpkin axes and melon swords which is primary way to make any good $ now. this punishes all the new players. also melons are now the primary to make $ and it is only a 1-2 man job. so for everybody who already has a melon sword and farm they don't mind farming themselves because it is a single man job and they already have the resources to do so. unlike melon farming where you keep everything yourself, in our wheat farm we share the wealth with all of our workers. that is why we are only residents because we do not care about ourselves, we want everybody to benefit from it. This farm is that first step for new players to go in the right direction. Taking it away will only make it even harder for them to get started and make some $ to help them get started.
     
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    King you don't decide if its necessary and as for wheat prices 35k/hour is absurd no matter how much typing you do it's still absurd. People pay 300k for a melon sword so why should you make more money because you type? People could make an insane amount of money not to mention it was basically being spawned from nothing so it was nerfed. ECC is a hardcore economy and being that it is a economy prices are going to change.
     
  19. THCOOL

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    This is a hardcore economy server. Making $ should be based on using your brain to come up with ideas and methods to make $ that nobody else has thought of. It should NOT be based on doing what everybody else does and just buy melon swords and farm all day. What we created was that difference
     
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    And it was decided that it was too good congratulations on that you found a way to make a lot of money quickly. Although you're right in the sense we should find new ways to make money, farming just adds and adds money to the economy so it is nerfed. So that is one area that you should not bother looking for easy ways to make money as it will have to be nerfed.
     
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