I'm noticing a trend lately of Mayors booting entire town populations. Take a look at the forums and you'll see many "you have a week to remove your stuff" or "flattening SomeTown, everybody leave" type posts. Typically these are done with no reimbursement and no recourse. This is a bad idea. Edit: I've created a suggestion post as well. Town residents generally do not rent plots in a town, they buy them. In ECC it is important to establish a source of income, and many Residents sink their first thousands into buying a town plot and starting some sort of farm. The money and time invested in starting a "business" like this can be significant for a new player, and it seems unfair to allow others to simply decide it's time to take everything they've worked for. Giving someone a week to "move" without reimbursing them for the cost of land and materials, unlocking and looting their chests if they don't see the notice, these will only cause problems. Mayors depend on the income generated by selling plots as well, seeking to turn a significant investment into more money. If a mayor has a history of "changing his mind" or "redesigning the town", who will want to buy land from him? This will just lead to distrust of mayors and the concept of an economy on this server. Edit: Removed suggestions to above suggestion post. EDIT: I need to make this clear. I am not saying mayors cannot clear their towns, or do not have the right to do so. I am saying that it's a bad idea to allow it as a regular practice.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre i am guessing this is the discussion part of it because this would go in suggestions or http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=14 and also the rules do state i am sure that with good reasoning and support, you can get this in the rules
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre I hope this isnt directed at me. if it is, the whole "post here and keep your plot and stuff" is recourse
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Well we mayors+ can kick from town if we need to or if were working on a project ect. Residents i see your point but we kind of have the right to do that...... -Mikejeffrey
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre I agree that kicking active members out of their plots, usually because the mayor wants to flatten the town, is pretty out of order. If that player has paid for a plot and spent money building up a house or whatever then it's not really fair to simply kick them out with no compensation (unless they have broken some rules, in which case this is perhaps justified). I do however remove inactive players (those who have been offline for 1 month or longer) from my towns, as it ensures that my towns remain somewhat active, rather than a ghost town, which is especially important if you don't have a great number of plots available.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Mayors have the right to do whatever they want to do in their towns.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre As a player in general, I do agree that builders and residents do need protection from mayors+ who decide to abuse their power(s) and take cash for land, then clear it out. On the flip side, LWC is not a fundamental right, it's a privledge when it applies to a mayors town. For example, in my main town (RiPfarmsInc) I provide free apartments for each of my workers with chests in them for their own use. When a worker is fired or "afk" for more then a week, I send them a mail reminding them if they don't want to work at the farm, to clear out their items. Most often however players won't clean out their chest, unlock their door/furnace, and won't reply to PM's. When that happens, I am very glad the system is set up the way it is here, I can reclaim the room that's not in use and give it to an active worker. So it's really all about pro's and cons, and finding a mayor who isn't a douchebag to buy land from. I'd like to think I'm one of those mayors, so just tell people to buy from me
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre My concern is that allowing people to take back sales after money has been exchanged will kill the real estate economy on this server, the #1 hardcore economy server. I think it was probably ok when people were doing this rarely, but it's happening very often right now. I'm not questioning whether or not mayors are allowed to do this, I'm saying that it's a bad idea. I did mean my post to be a discussion, and wanted to see what other people thought about it, but I will post something to the suggestion board. Thanks for the idea!
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Tsm we mayor+ users can do what we want to our towns...... Its our towns that we made alot of money for by farming mining selling and working!!! So we can do that ..... so i do disagree with this post but we might need to Just stop kicking people out so this post isnt rally helpful...
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre I did post this in the suggestion thread, but I suppose it semi-applies here to all the Mayor+ who seem to think they can literally do "anything with their towns": It's a "vague" rule, but I am pretty sure you are all nice enough to not get around it. Besides, there is also a rule about using loopholes and such; which is also punishable, last I checked. But, again, though a bit vague in some senses, a Mayor cannot really remove everyone from their town for a redesign/because they want to/worldedit unless they allow every resident (active ones; common sense) to retrieve their items and valuables from blocks (this includes materials they built with, so long as they built the plot). And in general, a more kind-hearted and common sense thing, if you are planning to re-do your town in some form that would require the town residents to retrieve their stuff, making a post a couple weeks ahead of time and and in-game announcement (mails, town bulletin, etc) would save a lot of trouble..:
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre IF we INFORM the users and give them TIME which we are REQUIRED TO DO then they should have enough time to move before the worldedit etc. WE paid for the town and if we incorrectly flattened or want to flatten the town again MOST mayors give back their money and/or plots. Are you suggesting that instead of worlediting the town that we just keep towns crappy if we did them wrong/need it flattened? WE paid for the town and we have the right to remove/add/worldedit/ everything else as we please.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Well as i see it, us mayors have worked very hard to establish and afford our mayor ship and town. So if we want to kick people because of needed renovation, etc. i think we have every right to do so. Most "kicks from towns" are to make the town better anyway and possibly your house may be in the way :/. I fully agree with grahamster on this one.... New comers that buy plots have NO IDEA how long it takes to make a town....
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Please refer to this: http://www.ecocitycraft.com/wiki/index. ... _the_rules
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Also, with that example, you would/could be considered a scammer... And the person who bought the plot for $8k could report you. That link D0rc put is also what I had mentioned about loopholes and unclear rules. I think that rule (about Mayors, not loopholes) needs to be rewritten/redefined. :/
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre i disagree if a mayor sells a plot, they no longer own that plot of land. they are simply the managers of the town and can enforce rules for that town so the town is maintained. i have plots that i paid for in at least 15 towns around the map. if a mayor wants to kick me off that plot for any reason, they will need to refund me the money i paid for the plot or i will post a complaint against them for scamming. i keep a screenshot of every deal i make that includes the exact description of the trade and the amount paid. if these mayors are not offering a refund for the plots they are force-ably repossessing from active residents, then that is scamming.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre I disagree, mayors bought the land it's and it's their land
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre which they have then on-sold to another user. that is the same as @andrewkm doing a clean wipe of the world map and not refunding any mayors the money they paid in their town app.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Just to point this out I will never ever offer full refunds on plots, just not going to happen. Towns cost a crap ton of money, right now my net profit on Panem is -100k something, frankly I need the money. I think this is most mayors, and Presidents feelings too.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Wrong. I reserve the right, as it says in my town rules, to kick you out after 14 days of Inactivity(DOUBLE the required time by the server). I also reserved the right to kick you out for doing things such as Disrespecting me. I will never give refunds, especially because of the fact that 99% of the people will not comply with my rules because i'm already kicking them out. For example, one of the residents in my town 'Wallstreet' recently decided to disrespect me by jaunting around calling me a Scammer for taking inactive people's plots away. His brother then took it upon himself to state to me he was doing this, and once I kicked out this user from my town, I found him repeatedly calling my town and me In-general a 'Scammar' in global chat. If anyone needs the protection, its mayors. We deal with dozens of Ill-responsible users in our cities a day, which is perhaps the main reason i don't sell plots anymore. I work very hard for all of the land i own on ECC. Every town i have built, by majority, has been built on my own with little to no help. I am the registered owner of the town, i built the town, I build the homes people buy, and i own the land they live on. Therefore, I own the land my residents "lease" from me. We do-not use towny, nor will we ever. Don't be mistaken; the way land works here is just like the way land works in Real-Life. The state can take away your land, no matter how much you have payed for it or invested in it, at the snap of a finger. This, in the real world, is called "Imminent Domain". Or, if you prefer, not paying your taxes. Its why, whenever i take away peoples plots, I refer to it as a 'foreclosure'. As per Andrewkm's written rule, Doing what I do I am not a scammer, nor will i ever be one. Its my town, therefore my rules are in-place along side server rules, and my word is final unless Andrewkm changes the rule. Mayors+ Have the right to do as they please and accusing someone of "scamming" is nothing more than a word used to incite fear. Screenshots or not, its just another User-User trade. The responsibility lies solely upon the two users, and no-one else. If situations like THIS aren't protected by the State, then situations of a user buying land in someone else's town certainly aren't.
