Denied Make staff have their nickname match their IGN (2.0)

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by EraNow, Apr 13, 2016.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. polltax

    polltax seldom right but never in doubt
    Builder ⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2013
    Messages:
    785
    Trophy Points:
    49,410
    Gender:
    Male
    EcoDollars:
    $0
    Ratings:
    +466
    Couldn't have said it any better myself. I'll go back to the cliche proverb, "if you give a man a fish he is hungry again in an hour. If you teach him to catch a fish you do him a good turn.". Why not educate the newer players how to message the staff when they are using the nickname feature? Although I do believe this is not an either or situation, if the newer users learned right off the bat how to do /rn {nick-name} to find the name of a particular user, this problem wouldn't be as big of an issue. But, the current staff volunteered to help, and I do believe they should make sacrifices to better help the community they promised to lead. Just my .02 :p
     
  2. ldw116

    ldw116 Builder
    Builder ⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2013
    Messages:
    1,312
    Trophy Points:
    31,460
    Gender:
    Male
    Ratings:
    +387
    I agree with this suggestion, partially.

    A staff nick should be something like this.

    Eekelmo ----> eek
    Oreo1227 ------> oreo

    Something that when typed /pm oreo or /pm eek , would lead to oreo1227 or eekelmo.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Potato Potato x 1
    • List
  3. 314

    314 Irrational Moderator, former ServerAdmin
    SuperMod EcoLegend ⛰️⛰️⛰️⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️ Prestige ⭐ VI ⭐ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2014
    Messages:
    7,049
    Trophy Points:
    97,160
    EcoDollars:
    $0
    Ratings:
    +4,917
    I'd like to add my 3.14 cents here after a screenshot taken between March 25th, 2015, and June 2nd, 2015, that includes me has been used as an example:

    For the sake of this discussion, let us ignore the fact that I stopped using my ThreeOneFour nick a while ago. Please let us also ignore that /v, a command I don't really like, exists.

    New players often have at least some knowledge of basic MC multiplayer features, e.g. the player list on tab. When I had the ThreeOneFour nickname, I was messaged by new players as well - they had seen ThreeOneFour in chat and had then noticed 314 on the tab list, thus they assumed ThreeOneFour is 314. Of course not everyone realizes this, see my point below.

    One of the main points of this suggestion is that new players try to /pm ThreeOneFour and have no idea why it doesn't work.
    If I use the name &l33&6&l1&e&l4, it displays as **314. According to this suggestion, using colours should be allowed as long as it matches the actual username. Now, that is all fine...

    ...except for the fact that new players then try to /pm **314. (And yes, this does happen - I see new builders asking about failed /pm commands due to ** far too often.) What result do they get? Exactly, "Player not found". The solution that is offered by this suggestion is not an actual solution - it simply shifts the problem towards a symptom that is already existent.

    Players who try to /pm **314 have to be told that ** mustn't be typed because it is a nickname, they are also told that /rn shows the actual name of the player. No matter whether any nickname is allowed, or whether it has to match the actual username - new players have to learn about /rn and nicknames in order to properly PM anyone with a nickname.

    Please do not get me wrong. I am not trying to say that it should stay the way it is because I want to use any nickname I want to have, I am trying to say that this suggestion simply fails to address the root problem - eliminating the problem mentioned here would just cause the root problem to become more important.


    My first paragraph about ThreeOneFour also applies to similar names like 265's TwoSixFive, especially because numbers always appear at the very top of the tab list. The rest (concerning **314) applies to any person using a nickname that matches their IGN as this suggestion requests.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Potato Potato x 1
    • List
    #43 314, Apr 14, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2016
  4. oootopia

    oootopia Utopian
    Builder ⛰️ Ex-Tycoon ⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2015
    Messages:
    1,302
    Trophy Points:
    43,590
    Ratings:
    +4,954
    I respect some of your points but on this point I'm not sure if you've been visiting the same one I have. The ECC I'm logging into we are darn lucky if a new builder can get into the right chat channel. Of course anyone can eventually figure out /rn etc, but moderators are supposed to be there to help the most ignorant of ignorant stop being ignorant and if they can't leave /ch tr then I think we should throw them a bone and keep it to a nick that is exactly the mod's ign or is a shortened version which will work to /pm them from.

    And I think that in the case of moderators or on all pms it should bypass the ** whole debacle because that's confusing anyway. I read that and then I started /rn **nickname and it was like "player not found" and I about face desked because /pm gets all up in arms about asterisks and then the /real name command doesn't want them either? What a counter-intuitive situation.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Potato Potato x 1
    • List
  5. FuryFudge

    FuryFudge IDK ask Fury
    Builder ⛰️ Ex-EcoLegend ⚜️⚜️⚜️⚜️ Prestige ⭐ IV ⭐ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2013
    Messages:
    3,186
    Trophy Points:
    90,160
    Gender:
    Male
    Ratings:
    +2,324
    Yes, while new players need to learn about our nickname system, they also need to be able to message staff as soon as they log onto the server. You raised some good points, so I think the suggestion should be changed that staff shouldn't have nicknames at all. (@BillyL24) This might seem harsh, but as was said, staff need to make sacrifices (and this is a minor sacrifice) in order to be more effective staff. Not having a nickname is something small that could help a lot.
     
  6. oootopia

    oootopia Utopian
    Builder ⛰️ Ex-Tycoon ⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2015
    Messages:
    1,302
    Trophy Points:
    43,590
    Ratings:
    +4,954
    The problem is they'll be upset they spent all the money and can't use it. I have nick, I spent my money on it, but I know it confused the heck out of me as a builder so I'm not going to use it until when/if I retire. Or hey, give the staff the privilege of recoloring their names/shortening their names without it being considered a nick so the whole issue can be avoided and vanity is still preserved.
     
  7. ToCatchAHansen

    ToCatchAHansen Builder
    Builder ⛰️ Ex-Resident ⚒️

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2015
    Messages:
    627
    Trophy Points:
    25,760
    Gender:
    Male
    Ratings:
    +410
    IM FAMOUS!

    Aside from that, I'm +1ing this again, for same reasons I said in last suggestion with this/ other reasons.
     
  8. FuryFudge

    FuryFudge IDK ask Fury
    Builder ⛰️ Ex-EcoLegend ⚜️⚜️⚜️⚜️ Prestige ⭐ IV ⭐ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2013
    Messages:
    3,186
    Trophy Points:
    90,160
    Gender:
    Male
    Ratings:
    +2,324
    If it bothers them that much, they can resign and use it all they want.
    This would be a good compromise, not sure if it's possible, but if it is, +1.
     
  9. a18greek18

    a18greek18 Former EcoLeader
    Builder ⛰️ Ex-EcoLeader ⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2012
    Messages:
    2,427
    Trophy Points:
    49,260
    Gender:
    Male
    EcoDollars:
    $52,000
    Ratings:
    +1,404
    This^^^
     
  10. EraNow

    EraNow President
    President ⛰️⛰️ Ex-EcoLeader ⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2014
    Messages:
    1,980
    Trophy Points:
    49,160
    Gender:
    Male
    Ratings:
    +1,312
    You're logic does not add up.

    You're expecting players to have some
    basic knowledge and use tab, but think they're dumb enough to add **? It's impossible to have *'s in a username... That's Internet life common sense.

    No need to defend yourself, no one is targeting you, we just used you as an example.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Potato Potato x 1
    • List
  11. eekelmo

    eekelmo Builder
    Builder ⛰️ Ex-EcoMaster ⚜️⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2012
    Messages:
    3,289
    Trophy Points:
    69,090
    Ratings:
    +7,789
    The scoreboard (Tab screen) is on every single MC server, nicknames are not. It's far more likely for a user to know about the scoreboard than nicknames.
     
    #51 eekelmo, Apr 14, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2016
  12. xX3PICREBELXx

    Builder ⛰️ Ex-EcoMaster ⚜️⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2012
    Messages:
    2,201
    Trophy Points:
    54,090
    Gender:
    Male
    Ratings:
    +2,608
    Certain members often don't appear on tab simply because of what letter their name starts with, I know in the past I'e had issues with tab due to my name beginning with an X which is late in the alphabet.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Potato Potato x 1
    • List
  13. eekelmo

    eekelmo Builder
    Builder ⛰️ Ex-EcoMaster ⚜️⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2012
    Messages:
    3,289
    Trophy Points:
    69,090
    Ratings:
    +7,789
    I know, I was just saying that a user is much more likely to know about tab than nicknames.
     
  14. 314

    314 Irrational Moderator, former ServerAdmin
    SuperMod EcoLegend ⛰️⛰️⛰️⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️ Prestige ⭐ VI ⭐ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2014
    Messages:
    7,049
    Trophy Points:
    97,160
    EcoDollars:
    $0
    Ratings:
    +4,917
    Eek already mentioned what I was going to say here, tab is a basic MC functionality that exists everywhere - if they have ever visited a multiplayer server, it is likely they know the tab list. /rn, /ch, **nickname et cetera are rather specific to ECC.

    I agree that /pm should bypass it. However, I believe that PMs are handled by Herochat as well. A few months ago I read that Herochat is one of the few non open-source plugins ECC uses - if I remembered that correctly, this could be a problem since it doesn't allow modification to ignore **.

    /rn ** should work, though... at least it used to accept asterisks.

    ./plugins/Essentials/config.yml
    Code:
    # The character(s) to prefix all nicknames, so that you know they are not true usernames.
    nickname-prefix: '**'
    
    An extract from the Essentials config because I assume /nick is Essentials's responsibility.

    Note the "all" keyword. You could easily hide this prefix - problem: All users would have this privilege. Nobody would know whether the president in chat is using an actual name or a nickname in orange. Nicknames would be indistinguishable from usernames.

    I am not posting here to defend myself; I appreciate reasonable, constructive criticism - these two adjectives were fulfilled in the suggestion.
     
    #54 314, Apr 14, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2016
  15. kukelekuuk

    kukelekuuk C͕̹̲̽ͪ͐ͩ̔L̜̦̝͈ͦ̿̾̿ḘA̻̗̤̳̐ͭ̆̿̃̑ͭN̊̓͑̇ͯ
    Builder ⛰️ Ex-EcoLeader ⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    May 25, 2011
    Messages:
    10,061
    Trophy Points:
    80,160
    Ratings:
    +6,925
    Okay, let's try something else. Instead of fighting about the nicks why not just make /pm work with nicknames instead? Problem solved, nobody needs to bitch about nicknames.

    as for the ** thing, it's only trivial to filter those out in the pm command.

    This suggestion has accomplished, and will not accomplish, anything. All you've done is provoke staffmembers.
     
    • Agree Agree x 5
    • Like Like x 1
    • List
    #55 kukelekuuk, Apr 14, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2016
  16. EraNow

    EraNow President
    President ⛰️⛰️ Ex-EcoLeader ⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2014
    Messages:
    1,980
    Trophy Points:
    49,160
    Gender:
    Male
    Ratings:
    +1,312
    You didn't understand what I was saying. Usernames, not nicknames, are only alphanumerical. ** is not part of that alphabet.
     
  17. EraNow

    EraNow President
    President ⛰️⛰️ Ex-EcoLeader ⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2014
    Messages:
    1,980
    Trophy Points:
    49,160
    Gender:
    Male
    Ratings:
    +1,312
    If that's possible, I'd support it. @JamieSinn

    (Gonna poke you about the new market while I'm at it... Still happening?)
     
  18. JamieSinn

    JamieSinn Retired Lead Administrator/Developer
    Builder ⛰️ Ex-Tycoon ⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2011
    Messages:
    5,517
    Trophy Points:
    78,090
    Gender:
    Male
    Ratings:
    +4,588
    It would require we use the essentials pm system, and yes, market will be happening once we figure out the eula and end.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • List
  19. kukelekuuk

    kukelekuuk C͕̹̲̽ͪ͐ͩ̔L̜̦̝͈ͦ̿̾̿ḘA̻̗̤̳̐ͭ̆̿̃̑ͭN̊̓͑̇ͯ
    Builder ⛰️ Ex-EcoLeader ⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    May 25, 2011
    Messages:
    10,061
    Trophy Points:
    80,160
    Ratings:
    +6,925
    It is trivial to create a modular hook into Essentials to make Herochat work with nicknames. Don't give me that shit.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    • List
  20. JamieSinn

    JamieSinn Retired Lead Administrator/Developer
    Builder ⛰️ Ex-Tycoon ⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium Upgrade

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2011
    Messages:
    5,517
    Trophy Points:
    78,090
    Gender:
    Male
    Ratings:
    +4,588
    Never said it's hard or not
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.