Denied [Main City Server Suggestion] Require spawnshop eviction notices

+1 should be some kinda last warning.

 

I mean, there's a thread available at any time listing expiry dates
https://ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/trade-shop-rentals-information-expiry-dates.5589/

As a former prime shop owner of several years let me tell you... this isn't needed. I never found it hard to keep on top of my million dollar asset. I certainly don't see why staff should have to keep on top of it for you... if it's an issue, this is an economy. Pay someone to remind you.

 

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My landlord doesnt send reminders to me about my rent. If I miss it I pay fines. It's my responsibility to remember when I have to pay my Bill's. Should be the shops owner that's responsible for remembering when they gotta pay their shop bill. Or they Lose it.

Also on archive I dont recall shops getting notices before. That's why people wrote down when their shop expired or even set notes in their phone. If you care about your shop you'll find a way to remind yourself of its bill date.

Also that's more work for the staff members. We gotta see that a shops about to expire, issue a notice, leave a note to other staff that we sent out a notice, remember the exact time we sent it so we can remove the owner at the 24 hour mark if not paid. Whys that work gotta fall on the staff team just because someone cant remember when their shop expires.

When I had a shop it wasnt that hard for me to remember. If I was ever unsure I'd check the forums.

So not needed.

 

-1 In my opinion this should stay the shop owners responsibility. Eviction notices would just add a ton of unnecessary work for staff. It is not too much to ask shop owners to keep on top of their shops expiry.

 

The server doesnt make you rent the shops. I'm thinking a town shop might be best. No need to worry about forum notices that way.
You make the choice to rent, you take on the responsibilities of running a shop. That kinda includes knowing when it expires.

Your also not the one that would get yelled at if a thread or person got missed. And as pi mentioned itd slow the whole thing down if we missed it and had to push stuff back a day.

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If youd like to run something like that be my guest. I dont think it should fall on the staff team though. Its staff responsibility to enforce rules and keep the server running. I dont think it's too much that we ask users to take responsibility over their own items.

 

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Regular people, with regular landlords, don't get rent notices. I don't get notices for things i need to do at work, because it is MY responsibility, and as a functioning member of society, deadlines are a thing that have been engrained in us while we were young. "This is your due date," "this is the day we do this."
Due dates aren't a new thing. You should be able to track it on your own. You have a phone, a computer, a calendar, or planners for reminding you.
If you lose your stuff because you forgot something, accept it, learn from it, move on.

The mods have enough going on without having to keep track of so many people's due dates.

Grow up.

 

These are entirely not comparable to Minecraft in any way. Totally irrelevant. You cannot just tune out of real life, however you can just log out for a few days. Because not being homeless irl is more important than losing your imaginary shop in a virtual game, the likelihood of me forgetting my irl rent: 0%. Likelihood of me forgetting my rent on ECC, hmm, depending on how busy I am, very likely.

Honestly, +1. Seems fair since you are paying the price to the server for the shop that they give you some kind of notice.

 

idk where you heard this... but I've never heard this before, and I was an SA for about a year or so. So you're saying that either staff do this thing that you want, or do nothing at all and give their jobs to the robots? I'm not entirely sure what this has to do with giving out notices either.

Anyways, my opinion on this is that as an economy server, it is up to the player to keep track of their money, their due dates, and their shop rent. Staff is not there to micromanage or baby you. Staff is there to enforce the rules and ensure that there is enough order on the server so you can conduct your ECC business. Yes, they handle scamming complaints. They don't pour over every single deal players make on ECC though. Yes, they handle town applications. They don't put the signs down for you, or build your town for you. If you're not responsible enough to keep track of due dates and scam someone, then you run the risk of getting banned by staff. If you're not responsible enough to keep track of a market stall, then you run the risk of losing it. Seems simple to me.

If it's such a small thing for staff to do, why not do it yourself?

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GA's do have a fully complete job. They do: Resident apps, Mayor app, President apps, Tycoon apps, Nether and End apps, Charge for Eco Leader, Eco master, Eco Legend. Charge for shops, Clear shops, update rental dates, do name changes. Placing towns can take a bit because there's a lot that has to be checked. They do some Ban Appeals, some might even do Complaints. Sometimes GA's have even had to do Grief reports.

They also have to monitor forums, assist players in chat, enforce rules in chat, and welcome new players.

This is ALL on top of whatever they wanted to do themselves, like running their own shops, playing ecc, having fun.
A reminder that staff don't get paid for this. They have a lot of work to do already. They do this because they enjoy helping.

I don't recall GA's doing evictions. I know there's a rule that town owners have to issue an eviction notice, because a players home can literally be everything they have, but the town owner files that, not staff. Your shop shouldn't really have everything you own in it, you should have some stuff else where for sure.

Personally? If everything a GA did was automated I'd have some serious doubts that everything would run smoothly without errors.

Staff already have to update this. I suggest using it honestly. Thank you nicit for linking it

and another thing...

Just like nicit, I paid millions for my first row shop on archive.
I cared about it. You better believe I never let it expire. I wrote it on signs, I even put a reminder in my phone when I knew I was gonna be busy. Its way easier for someone to have their phone go 'Hey you have this thing you should do on this game!' Rather than have a staff member go through the forums, check the dates on the thread, check the thread dates to the app (because this is needed when shop clears go through too. Its not just a simple 1 thread check.) file a notice, then the next staff person has to check the notice, maybe even redo the steps of checking the dates to the apps, checking to make sure there's not an app in to renew it, and then finally going through the steps of clearing a shop. Which has its own set of safety checks and rules before it happens. Definitely not just an added couple of minutes.
And there's still the issue of the backup that can be caused if someone forgets to issue the notice. I also don't think a shop can be uncleared, so If a staff member fails to issue a notice and the shop is wiped, well I bet the users that didn't get a notice would send all kinds of complaints in. That also suddenly ends up being the servers responsibility for the items because staff messed up.

I honestly just think its too much work to do for something that doesn't seem to be a problem for most shop owners that actively care and check on their shops. Its also a great way to get some of the lazier people out of the shops and allows the more active people to run shops, allowing for better stocked shops. The shop rules got stricter to help make sure the market is competitive, if we add forum notices of expiration dates that just kinda feels like a step back from what the changes were for.

As for this...
Straight from the wiki in shop applications
Shop Rules:

• Must be online and active, at least 12 hours a week. *Not doing so risks eviction*
• Must constantly have 10 minimum fully stocked chests in your store. *Not doing so risks eviction*
• Must restock empty chests within 72 hours, or remove them. *Not doing so risks eviction*

If you don't get a warning when you fail to meet these, then I don't see why you should get a warning when you fail to remember your expiration date on a shop. Just my opinion on that.

Sorry for the monstrously long post

 

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Reminders are a thing

 

...and who's going to automate it? Not like GA's do apps for the hell of it...

 

Our staff has plenty to do without this added responsibility, imho. I am an old man, a grampa, and I had a shop for several years on archive. In all those years, I never forgot my due date. I will admit that friends reminded me a few times if I was getting close I also reminded some if I saw it was getting close for them.
I also believe that there was a player (not staff) that did create a thread that helped keep track and notified players - during their last week if I remember right.
All of this said, I am not sure if I would be as successful since the dates are much shorter now - 10 weeks was a better length I thought

 

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Feel free to go above and beyond and help your community by tagging them yourself on a expiry thread.
Doesn't need to be a Staff Member only doing good for the community.

 

Also, feel free to tag expiring members in:
https://ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/market-directory.93621/
If they're rent is running out. I will try and remember to update more regularly, but you know, community teamwork is a great thing.