I am still pretty new to this server. And today I learned a very nasty little lesson...... I picked up a couple town for cheap. They had some chests. I filed for LWC removal on the forums (which anyone can read). I was offline for about 1 hour. When I came back YaY! the locks had been removed. Except..... All the good items had also been removed. What happened? Well a little investigation showed someone had simply watched for the LWC post to be updated by the mod and then immediately tp'd to coords and raided the chests. Unlocked chests are fair game after all right? Sorry but this is really really stupid. And yes @a18greek18 I know it was you who raided the chest (Oxwood2 investigated) and I want my items back. That's right you thieving Santa Claus. And this is official notice that you are not welcome in any of my towns again. You stole items from a Resident.... very nice Santa.
Update.... a18greek18 pm'd me in game.... he admits to having done this. He says that he did it and will keep doing it to force the mods to change the system of LWC removal (i.e. people doing what he did to me) resulting in player (this time me) frustration. He also said it happened to him..... He will not give my things back because what he did is technically legal. Well thanks a18greek18. Glad you are trying to improve the server *sarcasm*. It's always nice to try to change the system and be a thief from new players at the same time. Enjoy the things you took..... you have made an enemy.
I'm not flaming. I'm stating the facts. Your "logic" of acting poorly to force mods to keep people from doing what you did doesn't work with me. It is a poor excuse. I filed a complaint. My discussion ends here. Others can decide the issue for themselves with this information.
I dont take items from lwcs. If a player was evicted in anyway and they forgot items, I give them back. If the player is inactive then I keep the items for 1-2 weeks incase they return. If they dont return then I would give then to other players that would appreciate the items
The solution is simple, place a cheap lockable block above the lwc'd chest, and lock it. How often does it happen to other people where the cords are used from the forum post to raid a chest or chests?
Spoiler: The server rules Section 5 clause 4 Clause 4 - LWC Removal Requests LWCs in towns may only be removed with a request in the Staff Requests forum by the mayor or co-mayor of the town under the following circumstances: A user is inactive (by staff standards, this means at least 7 days offline.) A user has been issued a 3 day eviction notice that complies with the requirements above in Clause 3. Proof of the eviction notice must be provided. A user has been banned for Moderate+ grief in the town. A user has been requested to remove their locks via an eviction notice and has outrightly declined to do so (timestamped proof of declination to remove locks must be provided with the request.) Any other request that does not follow these guidelines is considered attempted theft, and in serious cases, you may be punished for attempting to illegally remove locks. Locks in the wild and locks belonging to the applicant owner of the town may not be removed. Locks in the wild and locks belonging to the applicant owner of the town may not be removed. You may not block access to any locked belongings of the evicted user at any time. Staff will deny all requests in which the LWCs have been blocked in an attempt to protect items. If your request has been locked for this reason, you must re-issue the 3 day eviction notice and may only file a new LWC removal request once the 3 day eviction period has expired. If the player was not issued an eviction notice as they had been offline for 7+ days, then you must still wait 3 days before re-filing the request.
The point of LWCs is to free up space, not to get access to the items inside the lock. As you said yourself: You said you wanted to free up space, not to take the items. We would never accept an LWC that was filed with such a reason behind it.
Hm I have an idea. What if we made a list of all the people who have participated in these actions? As Gernen said, it isn't punishable. It would be like stating who won the lottery! I don't see any problem with it and I know a whole ton of people to add to that list. Of course, proper evidence would be needed.
I file a lot of LWCs, just because I have a very busy town and it goes with the territory. I think the purpose of an LWC removal should be to free up the space, not to access the contents of the chest(s). That being said, I don't file for them unless the player has been inactive at least 14 days and often longer ... and once I do, most of what's in the chests goes straight into the town donation chests. Also, all a player has to do to get around the 14-day rule is let me know they'll be gone for longer. If there's a whole stack of diamonds in the chest, sure, those don't go in the donation chests -- but like I said, by the time I do a removal, the odds are 90 percent or more that the player isn't coming back. When a player I've removed does reappear, I usually give them a plot or condo for free as compensation for their lost items. At the same time, I can't be keeping a town full of inactive player's stuff, or I couldn't open up space for new people -- which is the purpose of an LWC removal, in my mind. So, my thoughts are that 1. Getting the items in the chests isn't the purpose of an LWC removal, but 2. Sometimes, finding something nice is a little bonus, and 3. Watching the forum posts for chests to raid, while a bit of a [player self-edit] move, is totally legitimate under the rules. Oh, and I call bull[player self-edit] on "I do it to force the mods to change this system." You do it to get the stuff, it's legitimately allowed. Why make excuses?
It is not illegal to grief in the Wild either, but it is much frowned upon. I know that I still remember the players that griefed MY first Wild house and will not help / interact with them ever, because they've already demonstrated their character. I have to agree with Ausalu. There are quite a few things that are not illegal, but people of character do not do these actions. I always figured that the stuff in a chest that you were writing a "lwc removal" for was the compensation for having to do the work of filling out the forum post. Yes, we all want the chest gone that someone left behind, but it's nice to be compensated for the work needed to clean someone else's mess up. Just because you CAN, does not make it RIGHT.
Guys lets just calm down. It fair game i will take free items at any chance I get. But this was in a town so idk.
Hey, just calling it like I see it. If you need to have every rule precisely restrict you to the point where the only choice is being an ethical person, then you don't choose to have ethics, they are forced upon you. Actions, not words, demonstrate ethics. Being a "Rules Lawyer" (someone that does everything that is not specifically outlawed) is legal... but do you want someone like that around you? or in your town? or on Staff?
Thanks 314 for citing that. I was wrong. That being said, those that abandon chests in town are given plenty of warning, or are not capable of returning. Logically the contents of the chest should pass to the owner of the town, instead of becoming a free for all for the morally impaired. After all the town owner is the one who jumped through all the hoops to legally have the locks removed. There is no reward for filing lwc's except for lost time.
Well, I'm thinking about making a list of people who do this. It isn't wrong to make such a list anyways.
Thanks to those who posted the tip on how to stop this. I understand what a18greek18 admits to having done may be legal -- but I think it should still be reviewed. And I want other players here to be aware of this issue and a18's behavior. Even if it's "legal" people need to understand that this behavior is pretty destructive to the ECC community. So if you are a person who does this type of thing or thinks it's "ok" then I don't want to ever see you complain about how "ECC is dying" or "noone is on" or "chat is dead" or....etc. Because behavior like this is one of the reasons people quit.
