ECC's Very First ABBA Mining Tournament (Discussion ONLY)

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  1. Maco20047

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    (Thank you @Anokfero for the banner!)
    First order of Business:
    What is ABBA Mining? Glad you asked!
    ABBA Mining is a style of caving introduced by VintageBeef, where two or more members go caving for a set period of time, collecting ores with silk touch. Each ores is assigned a certain number of points. At the end, the participants tally their points and the winner takes all the loot gathered by ALL parties. This competitive style of caving was inspired by a song called "The Winner Takes it All" by the Swedish band ABBA, hence the name. (NO, I didn't come up with ABBA Mining, as said, VintageBeef invented it)

    PvP is NOT allowed and all participants typically make use of potions or Ender Pearls if they so choose.

    How will this work on the EcoCityCraft Server?
    Is what I will do as the host, I will create a bracket for all participants. I will organize groups of 2, who will get on TeamSpeak when it is their turn, and they will go caving. Because some users who apply don't have the funds for potions/ender pearls, they WILL NOT be allowed. If a user uses a speed potion, or ender pearl, they will be disqualified upon submitting their ores, and their ores submitted in the winner's chest. If a participant is caught bringing in ores form personal storage and/or buying ores to increase their scores, they WILL be disqualified. No using donation features to your advantage (i.e. /speed, Fly, etc) This is an honest competition meant to be fun for anyone.

    What are the Rules?
    1) You must stay in your cave. NO LEAVING! If you need an erep, /tpa someone to you. If you leave, you will be suspected of cheating and will be disqualified.

    2) No using outside items. You will only be allowed to use an Eff5, Unb3, ST1 pickaxe. If you do not own your own, one will be provided for you.

    3) No using commands like /speed, /fly, etc. This will be unfair to those without donation features. This is meant to be fun and fair for everyone, therefore everyone will be using the same things.

    4) No using potions (speed/night vision) or Ender Pearls!

    5) No bringing in outside help! All resources must have been mined during this event.

    6) You may not mine into a cave wall by more than 5 blocks.

    7) You MUST return the tools you are given if you do not have your own to receive.

    How do I apply?
    You will use the following format:
    IGN:
    Rank:
    Do you have an Eff5, Unb3, ST1 diamond pickaxe:
    Do you agree to the terms listed above:

    Go here to apply, applications made on this thread will be ignored!

    http://tinyurl.com/ECC-ABBA-Mining-Tourney

    What do I get if I win?
    If you win, you will win 2 things:
    1) All ores collected throughout the ENTIRE tournament
    2) A Cash Prize of x Amount (Price is based off of number of entries)

    How can I trust this tournament will be judged fairly?
    1) As I stated earlier, I intend for this to be fair and fun to all.

    2) When following the competitors, the judges must not be withing 5 blocks of the competitor, so the issue of picking up the competitors' ores isn't introduced.

    3) The judges are simply there to ensure there are no outside tools used, no help is brought in, no potions/ender pearls are used, no donations are used, and the competitor DOES NOT leave the area they're mining until the round is over.

    4) If a judge sees a competitor leave, he will PM me, and the user will be disqualified upon submitting his/her ores.

    5) Judges will ensure the competitors don't mine more than 5 blocks into a cave wall.

    6) If a user breaks a rule, they will not be warned, but rather be disqualified upon submitting their ores. Competitors are expected to read the rules thoroughly before applying!

    Second Order of Business:
    How are points distributed?
    Lapis Lazuli and Redstone- 1 point
    Gold- 3 points
    Diamonds- 5 points
    Emeralds- 7 points

    Iron and Coal ore are worth 0 pointes. Only ORES will be accepted. If you enter a gem/ingot it will be entered into the winner's chest, and no points will be awarded.

    How will you set up the brackets?
    I will enter all names RANDOMLY on a Tournament Bracket. I will keep it up to date here. and edit it as the tournament progresses. (NOTE: This WILL NOT be a one day tournament, it may take one or two weeks to completely finish).

    This tournament will consist of 30 minutes rounds. Participants will have 30 minutes to explore the mining world, only traveling through caves. If you're caught strip mining/clearing/branch mining, you will be disqualified and your collected ores entered to the winner's pot. This is an honest tournament, NO CHEATING.

    The winner's prize (along with the ores) will be announced after everyone signs up, as it will be based on the number of players competing.

    If you do not have an Eff5, Unb3, ST1 diamond pickaxe, I, the Tournament Host, will provide one for you. There will be no use of other tools (Eff7 picks, Fort picks, etc). If you are caught using another tool, you will be disqualified and your collected ores entered to the winner's pot.

    The bracket below will be edited as needed. If there is an odd number of entries, one person will receive a by (A Free pass to Round 2), and this user will be based on the number they are. I will enter all numbers (1-# of people) into a random number generator. The selected number will receive the by.

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    It will cost $5,000 to enter the Tournament. If prices are too steep, I will lower as needed. Participants will be listed below before being entered into the bracket. Upon applying, I will pm you in-game to receive your entry payment.
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    #1 Maco20047, Jan 6, 2014
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    What about mcmmo super breaker?
    How will you ensure all participants have nothing in inv prior to the start?

    The main issues with these contests is that unless you are a super mod+ there is no real way to prevent any cheating. I have actually participated in an event like this on another server and it was not pretty. There is just no way to make it fair for serious players because there are always trolls who insist on finding ways to profit off cheating. How do you prevent xray, tping, any other hacks? You would need quite a few players involved and like I said someone who could verify inventories. And since the staff team or andrew can't really endorse these types of competitions (for obvious reasons), in the end it usuallys results in a ton of complaints and requests for money/items returned.

    I love the idea and wish more of this could be possible on ECC, but the sad truth is it is more of a risk than its worth. Imagine having to answer to a bunch of complaints as the event organizer. Just not worth it. In fact even an event like minewars had its share of complaints and that had several mods and members involved.
     
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    They could check by making them hold an inventory full of wood shovels. Also, regardless if there are cheaters or not, I think this would be fun for the community to enter. Also, I think it would be more fair to make emeralds 5 points because it wouldn't be fair if someone got a extreme hills biome cave and someone else didn't because then they couldn't get emeralds.
     
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    My suggestion for points is to switch lapis and gold, I ALWAYS find more gold. I am not sure if it's just me but if the majority agrees, I would change i.
     
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    This will all take a lot of work. But I will try my best to make it the best I can.
     
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    @Maco20047
    I think that the price should be lowered. 5k to enter a simple ABBA mining competition looks like way too much to me, and I think 1k is a more reasonable price. Also I can see that you've really tried to make this competition fair to people who can't afford things like eff7 picks and potions, but having an entry fee of 5k kinda ruins it. Even if someone has 10k for example, they probably wouldn't want to put half their money into a competition like this.
     
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    ABBA?



    Well at least you should listen to this while mining.
     
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    How about /repair? That's a huge advantage that would be hard to control. You said a competitor would have to bring someone to them in order to get a repair. Well assuming they plan ahead and have a friend ready to help them that is still slower then me simply typing /repair and going on. As for illegal mods as someone worried about above I recommend judges video the event as it may be very easy for even the judges to tell if someone is doing something they shouldn't.
     
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    We've been discussing these topics in a private conversation. There were some things in which I didn't consider upon making the thread. If there are any updates on rules/times/methods of judging, I will surely reply to let everyone know there were some things changed.

    I will spend some time myself mining in 30 min lengths, and see if I need a repair/how many times I need one. We will most likely use this as a basis to judge upon. If, for say, I have to repair 3 times in 30 minutes constantly mining, we can estimate that a person would need 2 repairs only mining ores/some stone. If a person goes the whole length without getting someone to repair, we will ask for their pickaxe to see the durability. If it has good health, and we saw no one else come in to repair, and the user has a respectable amount of ores/stone, we will know whether s/he used /repair on their tools. At least I hope this will work.
     
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    Another idea I just got, if 30 minutes is too long to go without repairs (I of course dont know if it is or not) split it into 2 15 minutes segments, have a mandatory repair stop where judges or a specified person comes and repairs both items.
     
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    Awesome idea, thanks! I will talk to other judges about this!
     
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    Why not have multiple picks for people without ereps.
     
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    I'll talk to judges about this. We will either have, as cdl said, a time for repairs, where if they need one, to come and get it/judges go to them. The only thing with giving someone multiple picks, is now that exp prices have gone back up, a max pick isn't cheap, and I'd hate to lose more than one if I can help it.
     
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    What do you mean lose? Also, I may be willing to let my pick be borrowed if that helps.
     
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    You never know when someone without pyro plus may fall in lava, I hear about it all the time. Even with people with Efficiency 7 picks. I feel, that if the pick isn't theirs, some people will be careless when using them.
     
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    Ah, I see what you mean. I think that it will be easier to avoid lava when caving instead of branch mining though.
     
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    You could use people that have donation features be referees and follow the contestants to make sure that the rules are followed. Some of the proceeds from the entree fees could be used to pay these referees. As a person with fly +, investigator, and fire +, I can't see people eluding me as a referee. I could /vanish, /fly, and /speed 2 or 3. I can't see a way from someone going through the caves and not cheating. A referee could also be required to have /repair, so that a person needing an erepair can get one. Of course the idea is that the person won't be strip mining, but running through existing caves. There needs to be a way for a person to do some digging, so strictly define rules would have to be defined as to how and when a person is allowed to dig a shaft to get out of a cave and into another cave, if that is allowed at all.
     
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    A person borrowing a pick could be required to pay a security deposit that is equal to the value of the pick. They would get the deposit back if they return the pick.
     
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    I think competitions on Ecc are a really cool. I really like this Idea but have a Question. Since this is mining wouldn't it depend more on the pure luck then actual skill?
     
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    Deposit for the value of the item would basically mean you would already be able to afford a pick and wouldnt need to borrow one. that removes the entire use of borrowing one.
     
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