[Discussion] Ban Appeals/Complaints Format

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Intellectualist, Sep 14, 2013.

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Should we be more strict with title format on Complaints and Appeals?

  1. Yes, even locking the posts and asking them to repost with correct format.

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  2. Yes, but only giving them a forum warning when they do it wrong.

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  3. Yes, but only note it in the response to do it right next time.

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  4. Yes, but only give it a bit more notice in the format thread.

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  5. Yes, but we should do all of the above combined.

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  6. No, it's not a big deal.

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  7. No, it's not an issue, most people do it correctly.

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  8. No, people already have enough trouble with getting the format correct.

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  9. I don't care either way.

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  1. Intellectualist

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    Before I made an official "suggestion" I thought I'd get some player input on this one. Personally, this drives me nuts.

    First let me quote you from AndrewKM's format on appeals and complaints.

    Now If you take a quick brief glance down the ban appeals and complaints, you see titles like these:
    Without the title of the player being complained on. Or Appeals like this:
    Without the title of the player appealing.

    Sometimes the titles of the threads are as bad as this:
    for a complaint. Without the format. Or ban appeals with titles like

    Now let me make this clear, I'm perfectly fine with titles like
    The brackets (these things [ ]) or the ( marks or the < marks or even no marks at all.

    As long as the title states if it's a Complaint or Ban Appeal (or even just Appeal) and the username of the person getting complained on, or the username of the person appealing for an un-ban, then I'll be satisfied.



    Currently, it drives me insane, it's not easy for staff, and it's against the Format rules in the format thread.

    I think that posts without proper titles mods should say "Next time please include ABC".

    Not locking the thread, just handling the appeal or complaint, and then saying at the end "Please include ABC next time".

    Builders and everyone else already has enough trouble with the post format, but if the problem doesn't clear up a bit, perhaps we can lock threads and ask them to appeal again with the correct format.


    So, what are your thoughts?
     
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    I think they should be strictly [Complaint] <On fellow person>
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    [Ban Appeal] <their name>
     
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    A complaint is a complaint.. No need for you to put a name
     
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    I think it doesn't matter for complaints as much, a mod should just say please remember next time to use. [Complaint] Username or something of that sort. Though for ban appeals mods need to be more strict and have he user appealing re read the appeal guideline and rules.
     
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    I don't care about the [ ]'s around the words or the < > around the words, as long as they state if it's a complaint or ban appeal, and the name required to go with it.

    Then we might as not well put a name in the complaint either. The evidence is there in photos, no need to state anything at all? It's the same concept.

    Even if people disagree with complaints, but ban appeals definitely.
     
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    I dont think this will make any difference...
     
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    Ah but it will, it'll help staff a lot. It's better to know "I'm dealing with the Bob123 complaint" then the mod who's going "I'm doing the one that's spelled "cumplint".
     
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    Based on your quote from the thread, there is no rule in the format thread stating you have to add a username to the title. It is merely a suggestion, and implied that it is highly appreciated.


    It isn't too hard to say, "I'm handling the recent complaint by ___," nor is it very hard to hover your mouse over the title and see the user who is being complained about.

    Although it would be nice to see complaints titled with the felon's username or the ban appealee's username, I do not think it should be required. Although, "Please keep a normal professional title" would be nice, and we could suggest users to use a better title next time, most will not use a better title. As well, most users who don't use a nice title often do not use a format, either, and tend to get their thread locked with a message telling them to check out the format/thread with the format.
     
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    [Complaint] <username>
    [Ban Appeal] <username> (optional for the username)

    This way, the staff team knows automatically about the user to see if they have a recent history or something, I also find it helpful too.
     
  10. Intellectualist

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    My first thought is why are you arguing with a suggestion that only brings good and helps you :p

    But the phrase "may be posted " can mean two things. The first would be a suggestion. You may do that, or you might not.

    The second translation would mean it's an order. "You may pull the lever when ready". It's not a suggestion, it's a command.


    You don't point out any negatives with the idea, but only state how to work around it, which is longer and harder.
     
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    If we put the name next to the complaint/ban appeal we could skim down it and see if that person is dangerous and if we see a few we look into them
     
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    We all follow the format. Theres no point of whether or not you state who the complaint against in the title. All mods read the complaint and look at evidence, they don't judge based on what the title says.
     
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    I don't think its needed. Its an option and most people don't like it. I, personally, am against it because not everyone wants massive amounts of views. This may be a stupid argument, but it's true. People who are complaining against popular people get tons of views. Some people don't want this kind of attention because people can treat them poorly later. People can still read it, but I still think there has to be some way where you can only see the posts you have posted on the forum. Or, at least, I wish it was possible.
     
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    Honestly the only thing that drives me nuts is when people title Complaints as "ban request". Are you asking to be banned yourself or are you complaining on someone?
     
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    A ban request is when you must not have access to ECC and they do go in that section.
     
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    Jason, its optional. Its not "correct" format if it is included.
     
  18. Intellectualist

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    Er, yes it's correct format if it's included. Correct format has a name as the title. I have no idea where your coming from, it is the format.
     
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    I think it should be a polite recommendation at the end of a complaint/appeal to use a professional title in the future, but no real enforcing needs to be done.
     
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    No when someone not saying anyone but swiggle he says ban request. He think that he can choose if that person is banned. Like seriously call it Complaint and the staff team choose!