Minor revision to Section VII: Towns and Nations Mainly, this change reflects the fact that a user must be banned for griefing your town for their locks to qualify to be removed for a reason other than inactivity. This means that you must go through the proper grief report procedures; getting an investigator and simply removing the person from your town is not enough. New clause added to Section IV: Theft regarding the dealings of chests. New clause added to Section X, which has been renamed to Ban Appeals, Complaints and Staff Requests. These are mostly clarification changes; a lot of what has been added/changed here are things we already did. It also more clearly outlines the circumstances in which we remove LWC locks from a town. Any questions lemme know.
Edited original post with actual changes. Quick recap: New rule in Section IV, Clause IV New rule in Section X, Clause II Section VII, Clause I changed slightly
So if they grief my town and I remove them, but they don't get server banned for it. I still have to return there stuff? Umm don't want to sound to upset about this (I really am not), but I consider a griefers stuff left in town my payment for dealing with their childish actions. Why should I offer to return their stuff after they wasted my time and a mods time? As long as I'm thinking about it, how about users who are very rude. I have had some town folks removed from my town after they said some very rude things to me or another user. I don't fancy after telling them basicly to get lost to then turn around and say you have three days to get your stuff by the way. I rather not be forced to be rewarding to people who just slug racist stuff at me or a member of my town. (Anywho i'm off for the evening, any replies by moderator staff to this will be much appreciated.)
I don't like the fact that you absolutely have to write up a formal grief report in order to clear away unwanted LWC left behind by an evicted griefer. I like to avoid involving the staff in the affairs of my town, especially when it regards discipline, because I believe the free market can do a much better job at facilitating order, and it can do so without the need for extensive penalty. I generally just repair griefed structures myself, but every now and then people try to test my forgiveness, and that is when I generally evict... but never through the use of a grief report (this is a rather new policy and is not consistent with historical accounts). This new rule amendment makes things a little more tricky for libertarian thinking Mendiboi. :/
The changes were needed because there is a section of the player base that seem to lack a bit of morals when it comes to these issues. There are some town owners who feel that whatever is physically located inside their town is rightfully theirs regardless of who the other person is, or what they have done. What we really wanted to do is to give back a bit of rights to a person in regards to their own property. Already mayors can sell plots, then decide later to kick someone out for just about any excuse. Now with the rule change they also can't try to keep this persons possessions. It is also not really all tha fair for some new builder to lose not only their land, but also every posession just because they made a small mistake. Were talking those who minor grief because they don't know the rules or know any better. The server is all about the community and we may lose someone if some greedy mayor decides to confiscate every item someone owns just because they broke a few blocks where they shouldn't. If its a large enough grief to get someone banned then yes, you get to keep their stuff as compensation. The rules still includes the section that if the person refuses to remove their locks after you've asked them to do so you can apply for a removal. RagMan
No, it has to be a clear attempt that you're attempting to wrongfully obtain someone's items. It's usually very obvious to us where someone's trying to take advantage of someone, and someone's legitimately made a mistake.
You still can, the only thing that has change is that you now have to let people have a change to get their things if you kick them from your town for anything other than inactivity(Although it would be nice if you gave them a bit more time to get their things if you just did it on the 7th day they were gone) and griefing where the griefer was banned from the server.
Clause 2 first part: LWCs in towns may only be removed with a request in the Staff Requests forum by the mayor or co-mayor of the town under the following circumstances: -A user is inactive. So yes. RagMan
Is there no way to make absolutely sure that new players know griefing isnt tolerated? I mean with investigator and the mods there is no way to get away with it but seems like almost every builder you add at least tries it and says "oops, i didnt know i couldnt take other ppls blocks." I am all for giving builders chances but its in the rules, i tell them not to when i add them, and every other server pretty much doesnt allow it so what is so hard about it? I know when i first started i never had any desire to grief because 1. i knew it wasnt my stuff 2. i read that i would get banned. It would be nice if there was somewhere that their stuff could be sent for pickup. I know i have been trying to catch a couple of ppl on for a week to get their stuff, i dont want it i just want it out of my town. Looks like ill have to send a mail or 5, screen shot it, wait for days, and then file a request. Seems like a lot of hassle. Not whining just wondering if there was a way to make it easier on the owners and the mods having to do all these lwc request all the time.
