Better Global Pleasant Chat with Strict Moderation, and No Tolerance for Trolling! You decide to log on to ECC, maybe try to get a few hours of farming in, to pay a big debt. But the trolls in chat, they are getting to you. You can't stand global anymore, and are forced to leave. So now you sit here, playing ECC in silence. But everyone knows we have a nice community! Why should we have to sit in silence or put up with the trolls? Many users, like me at points, leave global the second they log on. It's simply too much. Some users troll, flame, and slander, with little input from moderators. Although staff team does a great job, sometimes people that can make global chat miserable slip through the cracks. BetterGlobal offers a solution to the problem of an unkept global chat, by providing an pleasant party chat, with user-driven moderation. Any trolling or flaming behavior, as well as defamation of other users, will be not be tolerated. Any of this behavior I noticed will result in an immediate kick from the party. Any user can report others down below with the provided forum, and it WILL be dealt with within 24 hours. If you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a user is breaking our rules, they will most likely never return. Double offenders are not eligible for an appeal. Normal chat rules apply. No trolling, flaming, defamation, harassment, slander, spam, or advertising of in ECC or out of ECC topics. No touchy subjects if other have asked you to stop, nothing inappropriate as well. Keep profanity down to a bare minimum, please. Most, if not all enforcement will be based on context. To put it most simply, I'll be using my common sense. Come, join BetterGlobal - a pleasant chat experience with no toxicity! Spoiler: BetterGlobal Complaint Application Felon: Rule Broken: Evidence: Additional Information: Spoiler: BetterGlobal Appeal Application Username: Reason of Ban: Reason you feel you think you should be un-banned / Evidence of Innocence: Apply down below! Simply say would like to join, and we will review your induction into the chat. Tagging those who are in the chat currently, or those who are pending to join! @29dude @Krobkins @luccowarleo @oootopia @secretlondon @Whammerist5
Seems saddening to me that some players are proposing abandoning global for a party chat. Anyway, the reason why there's so many trolls in chat is partly due to inconsistency in punishments and not doing the right things to prevent it. If we're serious about getting trolls off chat, we need to do some of the following things, 1. Start using /ch mute. While there isn't any logical difference between the two in their effectiveness with blocking chat trolls, it does deter trolls. Why? Because a /ban or /tempban gives them acknowledgement. A mute, is well, telling them to shut up - that annoys trolls. 2. Simplify the rules. Part of the reason why there's so many trolls is that the overly complex rules allows trolls to bend the rules to their liking. Simplify them, and it'll be even more hard to bend the rules. Yeah, I know there's a clause about "bending the rules" - but what constitutes as "bending" them? That rule is extremely hard to enforce. 3. Have staff enforce more consistent punishments. I'd say the largest part of the reason of why there's so many trolling in chat is because of staff not enforcing consistent punishments. When you have staff members go too "lightly" on users, you have players who break the rules more as there'll be lesser consequences and then you'll have players complain about player A not getting a harsh enough punishment. When you have "strict" moderators, you'll have players complaining in global about "BS warnings" or "My punishment was unfair!". Staff should reach a middle ground with their punishments so they can be consistent, not varying from staff member to staff member. While you unfortunately cannot clean a 100-200 player server clean of trolls, you can however, take action regarding it and reduce the amount of them largely. And that's we should be doing. I don't want players to feel bad chatting in global - It is after all, a chat channel for everyone, not just the select few.
The problem with global is that when mods are watching the chat (See Footnote) they spend their time telling builders to talk in trade, keeping players from saying things like "nooo" cause its too spammy and watching for any words that (god forbid) could possibly have an obscure reference to politics or religion. Meanwhile players troll for hours on end, insulting other players, hackusating and other things and maybe accumulate one or two warns the entire time they are doing this. Im not saying they dont mean well but I see the same people trolling for hours and hours every single day and I think to myself why the _ is this kid not banned . Footnote: ( I say when cause I see so much stuff that isnt warned for in global I question if all the mods on are afk)
@UnitedStates2 @knears2000 Not trying to make anyone 'feel bad' for chatting in global, just offering a solution for people who don't like the current situation of global. This is a temporary solution, while what you all suggest seems more long-term. I'm not trying to clear a 200 player server of trolls, simply trying to make a maybe, 20 or 30 player chat that's more peaceful or tranquil than global. If you are fine with global, or have other solutions for dealing with the issue I describe, then don't join. This is targeting those who don't like global, and want a stricter, user-moderated chat instead. Sorry if the title mislead you all!
And for all, please don't turn this into a debate. Only comment if you have interest in my particular suggestion, which is this specific party.
I applaud the attempt. If I wasn't in another party, I would join. I am one of those people who leave Global just about every night I log in. I do try to put up with it, I just don't have the tolerance.
As much as I appreciate people joining staff, I really wish chat actually got moderated more often so people wouldn't even think about creating something like this.
If it is a suggestion why is it in general discussion. And with a suggestion you cannot just expect to get support.
This sounds like a great idea! The trolls and flaming in global have been keeping me from rejoining the community since I have come back to the server
1. Suggestion/Idea 2. Interest, not support. People who come to leave sarcastic comments like so: are just being rude, and I rather they not comment.
*Mod Edit* I won't comment anymore to people who simply want to be rude. Take note from @UnitedStates2 or @eekelmo, who were generous enough to add some very nice criticism. I can't thank you two enough for respecting me, and everyone else's ideas on ECC. *Mod Edit*
Also, somehow in the rollback, the party was cleared. Everyone who was in it needs to rejoin, or finally join, as server was down @29dude @Krobkins @luccowarleo @oootopia @secretlondon
Will rejoin I too find it really disappointing that we can't just have a better real global. That would obviously be the ideal case because every new player who joins the server ends up in the existing global and it is really unfortunate that they are immediately greeted by that bad side of ecc right away with the trolling and bad attitude that fills global a lot of the time. @Whammerist5's idea of a better global is the best and currently only recourse for players who get fed up with global. There are a number of good suggestions in the suggestion forum but that's really all there is besides this. I don't think it is the staff team's fault, I see them trying. I think it is a policy issue. I think @UnitedStates2 is dead on the money, the trolls need to stop getting rewarded and acknowledged. The only thing most of the staff can seem to do is ask the trolls to stop actually draws attention to the trolling that they are doing. In fact utilizing the /ignore feature I am still often aware of much of the trolling due to seeing staff plaintively try to appeal to users to stop trolling. This open acknowledgement of powerlessness Moderators practically begging users to stop is the ultimate troll fodder you could ever concoct. To me the very worst thing about all of this is that a few of the "trouble makers" who "ruin" global for everyone are actually people I think are really funny, fast, clever and add a lot to the community. Not when they are trolling obviously, but at other times. I truly wish that instead of any of this, instead of either needing a policy change, a staff change, or needing a completely different party chat to fill the place of the failing global, these users would just drop the trolling and bad attitude and participate in the community in the way which we all know they could if they tried. But you know, if they aren't going to then some policy has to change. And if policy isn't going to change then I don't see any other option besides players making one for themselves.
How does joining work? It looks like I cannot join myself and need to be invited? If anyone knows how to hide the usual suspects spamming shouts please let me know.
