Denied [All Main Servers Suggestion] Change price for ranks

-1 this is to make the rich and poor gap bigger smh you just have lots of money and seems like you want to cut off the ranks to poor people I cri

 

what about simply just making a new rank? That costs 10 million?

 

Nobody is going to buy it if it has absolutely no feature or gain to it. That's already the problem with the present ranks - nobody buys above President unless they're driving for a claim (which is rapidly becoming less worthwhile now that people store stuff in playervaults and not chests) or for the Prestige, and the more prestiges that are added the fewer people you'll find that are willing to get them.

 

I just feel like the 5 mil that it cost to get ecolegend back on the old server was much much harder. “Ecolegend” was considered the end game back in the day. It was the rank that stood you apart from everyone else. I think there are a lot of people who would buy the new rank just to set them apart from others

 

The thing is, there are a total of 21 ecolegends, if it was truly that easy to get don't you think more people would have it?

 

I would agree with you in part - I think people cared more about things like that back then, but I don't see that anymore, especially with the decreased user count compared to long ago. Also, the server doesn't really have as many "grind-goals' that give tangible benefits anymore, which I think is a big part of people soaking up money.

 

I already suggested a new rank to Andrew and I believe his response was “not going to happen”

 

Sponsor --> benefactor --> investor

That sets people apart. Make that the grind. Leave the ranks alone for people that don't gamble usd away for absurdly powerful economy breaking tools. Yes this is coming from a sponsor. Ecc needs to stop forgetting its users that cant spend all day with rented tools and cant spend usd on a gamble for a beast tool.

New ranks already been vetoed. Unfortunately I think the super rich need to set their own goals and challenges once they reach the feeling of too easy. It's what I did. I didnt expect the entire server to change or add shit to make it harder for the super rich. I never forgot what it felt like to start in this server with nothing.

Massive -1

 

This 100%

 

this this THIS 100% big -1 lol

 

-1 This is now a transparent attempt at making sure most people will have to come to you and the other magic/ecc tool holders or even star tool renters to even have a chance at getting a rank under your suggested changes. No, its an insult to the rest of us.

Your argument is that 100k+ is being made mostly now, but no, its not, the vast majority of players do not have access to these tools, and will not for some time. 400k is still a very large sum of money for the 99% of players, and the current grind of ranks is already hard enough, Glenntheostrich is a prime example of long it takes without any features and barely/none the use of these new tools. It's taking him a substantial amount of time.

Stop trying to make the whole server based primarily on donating. Not everyone can donate money to get one of these tools, nor work for the cash without it taking years.

I have a new suggestion, don't rent out the hoard of melon swords you've bought for so cheap, maybe that'll help the economy.

 

Hard -1

Using your examples of money making, I think balance is actually relatively well maintained (Get ready for some top tier back of napkin maths).

Melon Farming: This money making method realistically caps at ~28k/hour. Historically, have needed ereps in order to rent tool, so add in ~300k additional one time investment . However, for comparision, you can get somewhat similar money per hour crop farming with a fortune 3. Basically what I'm saying here is melon farming is garbage.

Mob Farming: This is the method that I primarily use for money making these days. My set up currently uses 27 spawners, which I can get the majority of them from 100 or so spawner keys. Thats already upwards of $1million investment at 10k per key. I also push profits up by linking my mob farming to enchanted tools I sell at station5. So add in effort in advertising station as well. At 50k per hour, I need to put in 20 hours of grinding before breaking even, or 1 and a half hours per day.

ECC Tool Grinding: So not only are these tools rediculsly expensive (15-30mil min), but require expanded set ups. From small testing, my little setup that works fine for a star sword is barely enougth to keep up with ECC tools, so would need additional spawners. For the melon sword, a similar issue can occur, with melon farms potentially not being able to regrow in time for a full melon farm cycle. Baiscally what I'm saying here while most ECC tools make lots of money, they also require non-standard setups to truely get top money. Apart from one...

Magic Rod: The only ECC tool so far that doesn't require any particular significant investment, apart from the tool itself. Can currently rent for 400-450k a day. From what I hear, it makes around 150k an hour. So thats 3 hours of grinding in that day to break even. This is a surprising amout of hours for someone to consistantly play (For reference, you can get away with being staff with an average of 2 hours a day playtime). But even then, if someone decides to nolife and play for 8 hours with the rod, they still only gonna get $750k after rental fees. And then they might not be able to get hold of the rod for a while.

So all that brings us to the final well known money making method.

USD: Undeniably the easiest way to become uber rich. By getting god keys that gives you the chance to get ECC tools outright, without having to pay them pesky rental fees, and can rent for a nice steady income of 400k a day with minimal effort. Furthermore, if you dont get the ECC tool, god keys can still give a nice boost in profit (such as star tools, ECD, or whatever) to whatever you brought as well, whether it be $100 gift card to sell onwards, or xp, or whatever you guys buy to get $100 purchases.

So out of all those money making methods that I stated above, which one of those is the least grindy, and makes the best money? While there is some small critisim over god keys and ECC tools in general, in of themselves they are not the issue here. The "issue" is the sheer number of godkeys coming in from a small number of users. By increasing rank prices in order to accomodate this small "elite", and by extention therefore rebalancing the entire economy around them, this will further cause a divide between the average player and those who buy godkeys weekly, and could cause increased pushback. ECC tools and god keys were introduced under the impression that the economy wouldn't be hit too hard, which I believe for the most part still holds. Increasing price of ranks will simply alienate parts of the playerbase.

To quote strongpelt "super rich need to set their own goals and challenges once they reach the feeling of too easy." ECC is a Minecraft server. With almost unlimited money, the super rich have almost a blank canvas to play minecraft of ECC, and work on whatever building project they want.

TL;DR: Economy is still relatively stable in my opinion, despite introduction of God Keys and ECC tools. Any adjustment to current rank prices is solely for the super rich, and an increase would simply make the average player annoyed.

 

-1 Both Kenny and Strong have great points on why this isn't a good idea. If this was thought up as a solution to getting some of the ECD out of the economy, it would only be the super rich who can afford it, because they're the people responsible for the influx of ECD lately.

ECC is all about the grind, and tbh if we raised the prices on these ranks, the people who could afford them immediately wouldn't have gone through the grind of getting them. On that note, if this was implemented, the grind would be twice as long as it is right now for the ranks for regular players, which most probably wouldn't even care to put forth the effort for at that point. So then, is the "issue" at hand really getting solved?

Also, if this happened, there's only 2-4 or so players who could afford this right now, which would only take 36-72 mil out of the economy; that could easily be put back in the next one or two godkey Fridays, from the same players who would buy the ranks lol

 

Huge -1

As already stated above, this is for a very small minority of players who earn a massive income by spending a huge amount of USD to get god keys and the perks that come with them. You have to dedicate a serious amount of time with renting a magic tool or even a ECC tool to make your rental money back and then make profit.

If you want a challenge, stop spending USD on god keys, earn the money like everyone else does and then see how hard it is to make the amount required for the top rank. As Strong said, find a goal and go for that - this suggestion benefits a very very small minority of the server.

Some new users find it a struggle to make the 100k required to get to Mayor, let along the prospect of a ridiculously inflated price to get the top ranks.

As for adding another rank, unless it actually 'does' something, there's no point as no one will buy it.

 

There is one little detail I believe you missed regarding EcoLegends: there have only been no more than three who applied since ECC and Magic Tools came out less than two months ago (in order: Matrix, Tom, and Oly). I believe Matrix applied using his casino profits & not from direct use of the tools; Tom I have no idea how he got the money, but historically, he hoards ECD to use on a rainy day; and Oly has been straight up rich for quite some time. At this point in time, the rank ups are not at risk for bombardment from the rich/these tools, and until we know FOR CERTAIN that these tools will destroy the process, it’s not worth the change.

 

The people who "+1" this are wallet warriors.

Obviously you're going to see the rank system as a joke cause you just purchase what you can with usd.

 

I have not spent a dime since the server reset.