Player vs Player otherwise known as (PvP)

Discussion in 'Survival' started by Tame, Oct 3, 2015.

  1. Tame

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    Now this is not survival... There isn't much to survive from :( . What do you call a survival server without a chance of pvp? Like I know we have an arena, but hey that's only if two or more people want to show off their skills. What I am saying here is:
    The survival server has not got enough pvp to make it challenging. Now I am probably going to get heaps of people saying, wow just goto factions them you can pvp people, this is different, nothing like factions. What I suggest is that at night time, from sundown till sun up, pvp is enabled. Trust me coming from a SMP server, staffing and playing, this works really well. It allows people to create relationships and ally's with each other. It brings players to be aware at night, and to make sure they lock themselves in their houses at night. As for towns I suggest that you have still have pvp on for them, but make sure you establish a good town first. If you establish a good strong town then if someone is wanted or has an enemy and they come to kill them, the town can help to fight them off. With this option you do not have to create massive walls to keep people out, just add a plugin like you have with the chests, so that people can lock their doors. If you have a secure house that people can't pearl into then you will be fine when you close your locked door. But this brings me to my other point, this does NOT ALLOW griefing or anything of the kind, only allows pvp at NIGHT for a short period of time. Please respond your thoughts and arguments as I will argue back and challenge your complaints aha. But trust me this works it establishes friendships and it makes the game a whole lot more interesting. Thanks tame
     
  2. GoryApe

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    Well Tame, what were you doing today? Yes! You were pvping! In fact, there isn't just a /warp pvp, there is /warp arena (/warp jerekul is /warp pvp). The point you are talking about with "at night time, from sundown till sun up, pvp is enabled", do you mean in Minecraft days? if so, then there is really no point doing anything at night. This will just disrupt the peace between the SMP server. We have learnt that it's best to work together than to just kill people all the time, especially if people just want to build and gather resouces. And if you mean night as in real time, everyone on this server lives in different areas, it could be Australian EST, or it could be USA, or Canada, etc. So if you mean that night, and the staff do implement that system, all of the players will be wondering which time the plugin is set to. And being in a different country would disturb that idea a lot! They would have to keep track of the time a lot. My last point im going to say is about how the have /lock on chests, they already have it on doors...
    All in all, I don't really think this is a good idea wether it is Minecraft days, or real days, this would cause a lot of problems for everybody. And like you said at the start of your post, "heaps of people saying, wow just goto factions", they may be right seen as it is up to all the staff to decide wether or not this is implemented. And if you want to pvp, there is factions, kit pvp, sky wars and survival games. So there is a large variety of servers with pvp.
    -GoryApe
     
  3. Beqn

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    I think it's a good idea but then again I'm a factions player lol
     
  4. Tame

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    1) I mean in game night and day,
    2) this will be nothing like factions... Factions is all about looting and killing, destroying people's homes and becoming the ruling factions. My idea is for the night times to become more interesting. Not just normal daytime life.
    3) you could possible have the resource world with no pvp, but the normal SURVIVAL world to actually SURVIVE in. Not having the pvp means that you just do what you want when you want because you got nothing to worry about. You can be not affected by this if you secure your house, and plan ahead so you do inside jobs at night...
    4)wow the arenas and jeckyl thing is so different about what I'm talking about... That is voluntary pvp.
    5) the main reason for pvp at night is probably for people who are I) bored II) want revenge III) need their payment or something IV) ect...
    6) peace? In a survival server? Not meant to be in pretty sure.. What's a SURVIVAL server without the SURVIVE in it? It's AL, not even anything...
    But thx for input and just think about it how it would work out and it has potential so much potential to make the game way better

    Oh yea (edit)
    I can't wait to go on to kit pvp!!! With all the people that play on it :D factions is just a completely different story, and same with skywars SG, never seen a single person there
     
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    Unless you're talking about the pit, where people mine for resources and have to watch their backs. Otherwise I don't think this will work, especially for players building really big builds. They already take 3-4 weeks (IRL) to complete one big build. Imagine if they have to wait out the night time in MC and watch their backs all the time when they build at night, it's probably gonna take even more time for them to finish just one big build. And if PVP is gonna be allowed at night, some players might think this is factions and just start griefing all over the place. Plus it isn't gonna be fair no? We have fly and /heal for donators. Hmmmm...

    If this is gonna be in the pit, it would be more interesting though. Having to mine for resource and watch your back @.@ I'd be freaking out at every single movement and sound xD

    Interesting idea you've got there haha.
     
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    We can work on it ;) aha yea could be a possibility, and also thats even more reason to donate ;))))))
     
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    compass would be friggin OP.. not that it isnt OP now
     
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    dis calls 4 a muzz
     
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    I really don't see this being implemented , not just for the fact that it would cause whining by players who are unaware of said rule , an example is the amount of people who try and mine in the build world, and it would really make people lose trust more than have it. For example , if someone goes afk because they are getting a call etc then it could suddenly turn night and a player can waltz into their house , kill them and have the stuff. The other player is unaware of what has happened , and just moans for admins/mods. Sorry, but I don't think it would work.
     
  10. Kaykay0202

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    I don't really think its the best idea. It could cause a lot of conflicts, the pvp arena already causes enough troubles. Also that's not what survival is about. It is in fact survival because you have to survive against mobs, nature, etc. and you have to build to survive. People should work together to survive, not fight all the time(Even with alliances), that's what survivals about. Plus people like to troll when it comes to killing each other. For example whenever I go to pvp my friends gang up on me and keep killing me causing lag for myself, even though its just all good fun. People can still kill each other with lava, fire, etc. which also causes problems. There's even been forum posts of people with problems from pvp.
     
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    I don't think this is the best idea but a good start.
    The survival server does need something to make it more surviving cause right now it's just the creative server but you have to get recources, you can die and no role-play.
    But the survival server I think certainly needs something to make it more surviving as such.
     
  12. zRinne

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    Firstly, I think you got the idea of Towny Survival entirely wrong.
    It's where you build a town and survive, get people to join your town, expand it and so on.
    Our definition of survival is as what @Kaykay0202 has described, against monsters, hunger, nature and you get to show off your awesome or sucky builds. PvP is an addition for players to enjoy or show off their skills. We have other PVP servers for hardcore PVP.

    • AFK
    So if someone comes on, has to AFK(or has an emergency) for maybe a few minutes in his home with a bunch of items on him because it's just a few minutes, what can go wrong? Comes back to find himself dead with his items stolen. (Do note stealing is against the rules) He is going to whine, file a player report, rage quit AEM.
    Players can use this as a loophole to steal from others.

    • New Players
    Okay admit it, we don't read EVERY sign when we first join a server, no one does that, literally.
    So a new guy comes in, gets just barely enough resources and finds a decent area to build, it's night and he's near spawn (a lot of people build near spawn for some reason) then dies, expected Towny Survival to actually be a Towny Survival (peaceful server) and finds out it isn't, wasted his efforts and quits AEM because it isn't "Towny Survival" just "Survive The Night"

    • Donors
    Yes, donors.
    People who donates and get perks as thanks. They are able to disguise, use world edit compasses, fly and even use /heal or /feed (extreme rank)
    if you're going to enable PVP at night, you're going to have to deal with those perks at night as well or we have to modify them which would leave the players to complain as we "taken/modified" it. What if they wanted to continue building/farming at night and since PVP is on night, they can't fly and stuff like that. Or they are flying underground, somewhere where they can't tell whether it's night or day then falls to their death. Who is going to compensate them? You? No, it's the staff. What about those who donated and abuses them to hunt non donors, fly to them, TP to them and kill them? Are you going to remove their perks? The non donors would most likely quit Towny Survival, the donors who wanted to build at night would get upset and wouldn't stand for it.

    • Trolls
    So some guy comes on, decides to troll people and just kill whoever they can, trash talk (come on, it's a fact 90% pvp players trash talk) and do remember, Towny Survival is a peaceful server where we don't sit for insults to players/staff. But then there's no PVP without trash talk, right you PVP players? There's going to be a ton of people who will get banned and staff would be everywhere fixing everything, handling of the complains the grief, the trash talk, disrespect, abuses.

    Don't get me wrong, it was a good suggestion to the server but it wouldn't work out. It will just wreck havoc. We do appreciate all suggestions, hopefully adding something everyone can agree on and have fun with.

    Note* Even if you decide that Night Pvp will be enabled only in the resource world, you'll be encouraging players to mine in the build world.
     
  13. Sauron

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    I agree with zRinne on this matter, in order to get something set up on such scale takes to much work (more work than it would benefit), and you will always have the complaints about people dying in a fight
     
  14. CamoElite19

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    I wouldn't mind that but still allow the option to turn off PvP in towns and keep it off in the PIT
     
  15. CamoElite19

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    Again I wouldn't mind but I am also kinda on zRinnes side, it will just cause more complaints and player reports