Denied [Network Wide Suggestion] Enable Conduits [No Conduit Power]

In Game Name:

WeirdBuilder
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What part of EcoCityCraft is this suggestion for:

Network Wide
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Short title for your suggestion:

Enable Conduits [No Conduit Power]
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What are you suggesting:

I suggest that we enable the placement of conduits and their respective night vision and water breathing effects, with the exception of the 'Haste 1' effect that is included within the 'Conduit Power' buff. The best way that I could see this being done is by removing the 'Conduit Power' buff from conduits entirely and then re-adding the night vision and water breathing effects separately to the conduit's operating radius.
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Why is this a good addition for EcoCityCraft?:

This would be a fun addition to ECC by making underwater towns easier to both build and live in, increasing town diversity and build options. I'd love to have a town entirely underwater (think Atlantis), but currently, the closest you can get to this is underwater bubbles or pods which act as the available town space. You could add this ability to place conduits in ExtCreationsPlus2 or similar as an incentive to purchase those features, and if not that, then as a town application for, say, 150-250k ECD.
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Other information:

I'm unsure as to whether or not this modification is an option within the parameters of vanilla minecraft or our specific setup, but I've listed some plugin-based solutions below.
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Plugin or custom addition:

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/beaconplus/

Spoiler: Config Options

conduitp:
type: BasicBeaconEffect
effect: CONDUIT_POWER
amplifier: 0
duration: 17
power-usage: 81
mode: ONLY_PLAYER
display: "Conduit Power"
remove-when-leave: false
description:
- "Combination of Water Breathing, Night"
- "Vision, and Haste effect."

I would imagine it to just be a matter of disabling the other config options, and enabling the conduit-specific configs with the appropriate modifications.

Spoiler: Other Potential Plugins

https://www.mc-market.org/resources/10720/

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/better-beacons.39937/

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One suggestion per form:

I Understand.​

 

If it would only be enabled to work in towns, then I imagine the town application solution would be the ideal option. Out of curiosity though, what would be your reasoning behind disabling it outside of towns? I'm not sure people would go to the effort to use it outside of towns given the rarity of the resources needed to assemble the multiblock in the first place.

 

It wouldn't be a cheaper WaterPlus as that feature requires $30USD to obtain, whereas the proposed feature for this ability is ExtCreationsPlus2, which is a total of $90USD. Not to mention, WaterPlus' immunity to drowning is a constant ability whereas you have to be within the range of the conduit to obtain it's water breathing buff. Additionally, you are still prone to suffocation damage via blocks without WaterPlus. Now, if you want to make the argument that access to /nv requires $150USD worth of features through ExtCommandsPlus2, I would counter that with the fact that I can go into my Minecraft configs and turn gamma up for practically the same effect for free.

If I'm trying to mine out shipwrecks, underwater ruins, and underwater treasure chests, I'm going to use WaterPlus + ExtCommandsPlus2/Gamma + Fly(Plus) to do it, which is a total of ~$240-300USD depending on what world you do this in. Frankly, the time/cost ratio isn't worth finding the resources and building a conduit, mining/looting within my predetermined radius, destroying the conduit, and relocating. I suppose this could be a "poor mans WaterPlus + ExtCommandsPlus2 + Fly(Plus)," but I can almost guarantee you that the hourly profits aren't even comparable, as you would spend too much time trying to set it up in the first place. However, I would be willing to do hourly profit tests should I be asked just for the sake of it.

In a similar vein, underwater ravines don't expose so many ores that they would immediately make it a worthwhile endeavor with conduits, and especially so with the hassle that would be moving the conduit every time you found a new ravine. You'd be better off mining normally in that regard.

 

I would argue that this suggestion is mainly for newer players without features, not so much for the sake of mining or building underwater, but rather, living there without being unable to see or fear of drowning due to lack of features or enchanted helmets.

Not everybody is going to have /nv on hand, and the invincibility flag requires you to have an equally expensive feature to use. In this situation, I would have builders coming to live in said underwater town. Builders aren't likely to have /nv ($150USD) or water breathing helmets, but I suppose the invincibility flag through TownControl would be a workaround for this. Either way, for the sake of ease on the part of the builders, I think the conduit via the town owner's features/town-application would still be the preferred option.

 

Pretty much this.

I can appreciate and relate to the argument of working towards features as a goal for players, but the argument of "I have these features available in all circumstances and feel that players possessing the same powers under limited circumstances would both kill their desire to purchase the respective features AND upset me over the fact that they can approach the power of my paid-for abilities" is a ridiculous standpoint to have. As nicit put it,

I will concede that ability to place a conduit anywhere may be a little too difficult to balance around (although I would still find it hard to believe that one could make a profit comparable to the traditional moneymaking avenues, especially when the abilities are specifically NightVision and WaterBreathing), but the ability to place it ONLY in towns is not going to harm the incentive to purchase WaterPlus or ExtCommandsPlus2, and would only be a benefit to the community.

 

The conduit's ability only works within a 96 block radius, which I believe is configurable with the plugin I've suggested.