Denied [Main Server Suggestion] Town Applications

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  1. jkllong2004

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    What part of EcoCityCraft is this suggestion for:
    Main Server
    Short title for your suggestion:
    Town Applications
    What are you suggesting:
    1.When a player applies for a new town should have the option to have part or all of
    their 85k town application fee to be paid to other players that wish to help
    build the applicants town. This option would be in place of all of the ECD
    going back to the server. The players that are receiving part of the 85k town
    application fee, can work to help develop the town in return for the money.

    a)This suggestion should add an option giving the applicant two choices
    when applying for a town.
    i.One being a partial payment to other players. And/or a partial
    payment to the server.
    ii.Second, being the “traditional” way of the whole 85k fee going to the
    server
    b) This suggestion should NOT force the town applicant to find players in
    order to start their town. I am only suggesting that the applicant can have
    part of their 85k they have to pay anyway go towards other players if they
    so choice.
    c) An example of this is when a player posts an application for a new town,
    they add the names of the players to be paid and the amount along with
    the coordinates, the town name and other required Town information
    with-in the application.
    d) If the town applicant choices to add other players to be paid with the
    town application fee, this should be irreversible once the players are
    listed on the application. (Town applicants should verify the requested
    work is completed to their satisfaction before adding players on their
    application.)
    Why is this a good addition for EcoCityCraft?:
    I feel this would be good to the server for two reasons
    1. This would give players another option of making ECD.
    2. Players that are hired to help the town could use the same money they are
    paid with to buy a plot with-in the town or spend the ECD else where,
    "stimulating the economy".
    Other information:
    Inflation needs to be taken into consideration when/if determining the amount to be paid to each player for hire. (the mod approving, Andrew, staff, could be a fixed number of ECD or fluctuating)
    Plugin or custom addition:

    One suggestion per form:
    I Understand.
     
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    I don’t think you should get that application fee back at all. It’s part of the process... you get 200x200 blocks to make money from.

    Imagine if you built a farm how quickly you could exponentially earn on the refunded money...

    This is a so called “Hardcore Economy”.

    Not to mention the extra time this would take from staff.
     
  3. jkllong2004

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    I am suggesting the player buying the town pay other players with part of the town application fee. Not for the town applicant to get the money back.
     
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    You can already do this with the /pay command prior to applying.
     
  5. jkllong2004

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    Doing that would cost 85k + the payment you choice with the /pay command
     
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    Sorry for misinterpretation of this, but also there’s no cost to doing /pay. A group of users just pool their money together and give it to one user to buy the town. I don’t foresee their ever being equally owned towns by multiple parties
     
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    I am suggesting that in place of the 85K going to the server, the single player who is paying the 85K normally to the server instead, could designate part or all of the 85k to be payed to other players who choice to help the Town applicant build the new town. Only the person applying for the town is the owner once the application is approved.

    This way the town applicant only pays 85K and gets the town built.

    Using the traditional way the town applicant has to pay 85K + the work for each user who helps build/clear.
     
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    -1 You can make 85k back using the town anyways.
     
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    In that case you spend 85k with-out your town being built/helped.
     
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    Why would you choose that example?

    All that aside.. You are buying exclusive rights to the town land you pay that 85k for. The server gives up the right to tell you how to use it... Other than inappropriate structures... If you want help you will have to raise those funds as well.
    That's how an economy works. You're a land owner now!
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    -1 if you buy a house irl for 200k, should the money be then given to the builders, engineers, and architects who do future work on it? No. It goes to the bank.

    We are a hardcore economy server, not a communist server.
     
  13. jkllong2004

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    Why spend more money than you have to? In this proposal the person applying for the town will be the soal owner of the town. I feel this is a good opportunity to accomplish two things at once.
    Give players more options to make ECD, while at the same time the town owner can get some help for money they already have to spend. This could be a way to give players another option to make money with out farming, mining or other wise doing something repetitive.

    There are plenty of examples/situations where the "rich" (the haves) either pay taxes or donate/fund other programs that help the economy. I love this server, feel I would love it more and the server could prosper more from programs like this where players have a chance to interact and exchange more goods and services.

    I guess I miss the part in my suggestion and the feed back thus far how this could hurt the economy or individual player
    experience out side of what I already identified, inflation.
     
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    I missed your connection or reference to future. Could you elaborate please?
     
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    There point is to soak money out of the economy. If there is to much cash floating around you get unmitigated inflation. This takes money out of circulation. As @Jdawger said. It's not a communist server. You buy something you pay for it. Then if you want to improve on it you pay for that. *Shrug*
     
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    I agree with you on inflation. I would like to discuss/explore if this suggestion is possible with-out hurting the economy.

    As I begin to think about the logic below,

    "You buy something you pay for it. Then if you want to improve on it you pay for that. *Shrug*"

    Should we exclusively buy everything I need/want from the server?
    What about when I mine and then turn around and sell those ores/items to other players? Wouldn't inflation be cut down even more if I sold those items I mined to the server/sell hand? The point I am trying to make is every one prospers when we make exchanges.

    The same is true in this suggestion. I am not suggesting that the owner of the town give the whole 85k to other players for free. The owner/applicant has to pay the ECD to buy a town, nothing chances there. In a real economy the money you pay for a house/town is to other companies/people. Even if 5k was the max a town owner could pay a player and 80k went to the server, I figure this would be a prefect example.

    If I interpret your logic correctly, then I am giving money away for free when I think I am "paying" a player to clear land.

    I believe the idea or concept of communist is when no one/every one owns everything. What I am suggesting is for one player to own a single town. I

    After reading your response FuriuosGeorge, I can see how my suggestion can be easily interpreted as "communist" with the already required ECD being paid to a group/single players to help with a town. Please keep in mind I am only suggesting an additional option when buying a town.

    Option One: What I suggesting
    Option Two: Elect no players to be paid or help with your town and all 85k going to the server.
     
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    Except that until a town is made, that land is owned by the server.

    If you want to pay players for a town, you can do that, just buy an existing town from a player.
     
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    I am suggesting how the 85k ECD that the server requires as a fee for a NEW town to be used/paid in an alternate option.

    As an example listed below:
    75k paid to the server
    10k paid to another player hired by the town applicant to help build the town

    Please keep in mind I am suggesting this as one option,
    I am also suggesting players can pay their traditional 85k directly to the server with no player help.
     
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    Well, how can we tell if that other player isnt your alt?

    We’ve been doing the same thing regarding town apps since the beginning. Nobody is thinking what we have is bad except you.
     
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    I do not have a problem with Town applications.
    I feel my suggestion is something "new" or "different" or a possibility that can improve the town application experience.

    I am unaware of how you can KNOW what the WHOLE community is thinking. I mean my last sentence with the up-most respectful tone I can convey.
    (but by guessing from your response if I was observing this post I would not want to respond for fear of what you would say next)

    Just because something hasn't changed, doesn't mean it cant be improved.

    I would make a guess that there are others out there like myself that would like to suggest radical changes but would like to for-go the backlash.
    I can understand wanting to keep things the same but improvements will never happen with out change.
    I understand change itself is not inherently improvement.

    I wish I could of made this response a bit more condensed, but I responded in a way in which I feel would be most beneficial to others that would like to make other radical suggestions. You are not alone.
     
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