Minecraft Name: quefueve Suggestion: Limit 'Begging' Advertisements to one message every 10 minutes. (or something similar) Reason: Begging advertisements are becoming more and more common everyday. Nowadays it's often high ranked people (Mayors, Presidents) getting money just to acquire more assets. They also take up quite some space in the Trade Channel, asking for Money/Goods without giving anything in exchange to potential Donators. It becomes actual nuisance to people who don't have interest in donating. While doing this, they also make potentially useful advertisements keep scrolling up, causing less people to notice them, and the poster has to wait at least 3-5 minutes to be able to post it again. Any Other Information: Honestly, and I think most users will agree with me, I find [new] Begging advertisements to be very annoying. I wouldn't be making this suggestion if it was only newcomer Builders/Residents trying to fund their residency/mayorship, but currently I see Mayors and Presidents asking for donations all day long trying to fund Expensive items (Melon Swords, etc) or even Donation Features, and upon completing it, looking for something else to Beg for. Since said users are usually active, it results in an all-day long begging spree in the Trade Channel. This seriously needs to stop. Also, I do know about the /ignore command, but in my opinion this has reached a complete new level, and the rules need to be modified to prevent it.
Okay, well... I have two sides of looking at this. On one hand I also hate the "Gibe me money pl0x," players. But, this could limit fundraisers advertisements. Example: I recently held a fundraiser for a completely legit reason, should those types of things also be limited? Revanrose6
I don't think so. There's a difference between a fundraiser and plain begging. Also, I agree with this suggestion. Trade chat has become overflowed with people asking for money but for no purpose really. I think it should be a 7-10 minute wait. I see one problem though. People could just claim its a fundraiser but in order to stop this from happening; to make it a legit fundraiser there has to be a forum post explaining what it is.
Well when I did my fundraiser my trade chat was literally a link to the fundraiser page lol. I didn't even say "Donate to this: ______" It was just "____________" And people shockingly still clicked it. But yeah, that might be a good determination. On a negative side, there are begging threads and they may use that as justification.
Theres a line between a fundraiser that is well written and in detail etc etc. Then there are some people who are like "I need money for mayor, donate plzz". I think the latter should be restricted,
I like the idea, but honestly I feel like it would be a pain to enforce. "Please limit all financial begging to 7-10 minutes."
Just like chargers said, there's a big difference between plain begging and a fundraising like the one you posted. Fundraisers like yours and KMax's can be compared to projects like the ones in the site Kickstarter.com. The creators ask for Donations, and if they do they'll actually receive something in exchange. but here if they do so they will actually receive something in exchange. Not to mention also fundraisers like yours are much more organized than "gimme moneh plz", also have to take in mind you use your time to distribute the items offered in each 'backers' tier. I see making an obligatory 'Fundraiser' thread with the same level of organization as Revan's or KMax's as a viable choice. Perhaps maybe even a "Kickstarter" subforum in Economy Discussion?
Hmm, I see your point, but as long as this begging is limited to trade channel 3-5mins limit, I see no problem. Unless of course, they aren't sticking to that limit, which may be what's driving you to make this thread.
There doesn't seem to be that many fundraiser threads. I think the For Sale section of the forum is good enough for that.
Make it illegal to ask for donations and tell them to ask for them on the forums and on the forums only.
I second Kuke's statement. Its one thing to make their timer a little higher, its completely different to outlaw that.
I still don't understand the current problem. If everyone started advertising their farm would you make a suggestion to tell them to wait longer? Just because your sick of 90% of the trade channel being farm advertisements? The people asking for donations have just as much right to post it as does everyone else. As long as they stay within the limit, I see no issue.
If everyone started advertising their farm, let them be. By paying someone for farm perms I am actually receiving something for what I paid, and that I may use anytime for my benefit. Whereas if I'm giving money to someone who has been asking for donations, taking up space of other advertisements that may actually benefit me, most I'll get is a "Thank you". That last sentence probably made me sound like a careless monster, so I need to clear this up first. I'm not against Begging itself (if I was I would have instead made a suggestion prohibiting it, which is a terrible idea), but I'm against Begging taking space from actual Advertisements and "Fund my Riches" Begging. I understand sometimes people are really going through a harsh time and ask for donation to help get themselves back to their feet, and that is absolutely fine. But still, in the process they hinder the advertisements of actual products/services. Recently I've mostly seen people who have no economical problems asking for donations to purchase expensive items that aren't really needed. You see, Trade Channel and Auction Channel are the obvious equivalent of Mass Media in ECC, reaching every player in the server for absolutely no cost, which makes them available for anyone to use them anytime. Auction Channel can't be used for advertising products at a fixed price, so that leaves only the Trade Channel for everyone to advertise products/services/shops/etc. In that sense, the Trade Channel can be seen as the TV-Radio Commercials/Newspaper Ads of ECC. Have you ever seen an ad or commercial in which someone is asking for donations to buy themselves a new expensive sportscar for their personal use? Have you heard -any- Person asking every 3 minutes in the radio for donations to buy a house?
I understand what you mean, but ECC is no way like real life, they shouldn't be compared. But asking for donations is a valid thing to put in the trade channel. Since it reaches every player in ECC, there should be no time limit. If there was a trade channel that it cost to post in, then yes, there should be a limit. But this is free advertising, I have the right to advertise anything I want.
That's where the problem is, when Begging, you are not advertising anything, you are just asking for free money. After all it's called 'Trade' Channel. Just look at the definitions of both Trade and Begging from Wikipedia. That's all I have left to say.
What if I advertise my giant build? Hey buddy, come look at it, it's awesome, ect, come view it. You don't get anything, and I don't get anything. Yet it's still an advertisement
What happened to "hardcore" economy? People shouldn't ask for their next rank or a rare tool etc, people should only be allowed to ask for donations on a forum section this would be best because they can explain why they want donations and then maybe people would actually donate... Spamming in trade : "I need donations" doesn't get them anywhere but if there was an actual section on the forums they can explain why. Instead of spamming they need donations they can simply post the link to the forum thread.
It's only our fault for their begging. If begging got you $0 after an hour of begging, they wouldn't keep begging. The truth is, beggers do get donations.
