Favortism

Seriously, this really saddened Chink tonight. He really liked this server because he could finally play minecraft with a big group of friends and enjoy himself. And because of a name he made years ago, he has to get punished, for doing absolutely nothing wrong? All he would ever do is try to help people, try to make their time in the server as best as possible. And because one person decides to "complain" and bring up a german definition to try and say that hes being offensive, when he probably had no idea it meant that, so in turn, he didn't have that meaning to try to offend, or to try and make somebody feel bad. In my opinion a moderator should use some sort of thought behind a ban for a complaint. If Chink had been doing something wrong in the server, like making people feel bad with his name, this would be different. But he was innocently talking in trade chat. No matter how many times this has been addressed tonight, he deserves better then this.

 

Hmmm.... Valid points.

I actually love asphyxiatorslove's name for the perverted nature of it. And he/she being a fire fighter makes it Even cooler.

I have seen some crazy names out there.

 

"How come the powers that be" can run rampet with out being held to accountability , if you hold true to if someone complains there gone, then by his own admission a lot of people have already complained.....
There is way to much power playing going on, and favortism as stated above....
Someone must bring these things to life, they must also do what is right.
Since when do the little people have no voice. Everytime some one poses anything that goes aginst the boys and girls club there attacked.... or even Lied to.....

 

Okay.. I don't know where to start. I guess I'll review this point by point as Siepherimcraft has done.

I can't make this clear enough, there is NO ELITE CIRCLE ON ECOCITYCRAFT THAT IS ABOVE THE RULES And as long as I'm a supermod, there sure as hell never will be. It actually almost hurts to think you guys would accuse the moderator team of that. I am deeply sorry that your friend was banned from the server, and it is unfortunate that it had happened, but it was done strictly to uphold the rules. There was no act of favoritism in play here. Infact, there were numerous complaints, from players of all ranks who had voiced being offended by this. (Only one of them posted, but others who were less apt to speak up voiced it privately, and thus there names will not be shown unless they ask me specifically to include them.)

I challenge you to name one person who has a racist name on this server, and if you can find one, I'll ban them. Equally.

Considering you only used a small bit of the dictionary.com link, you shouldn't of chose such words. Let me post both.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/asphyxiators
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chink
Read all the definitions. And you tell me which one has the racist/derogatory term.

Really. Don't call me petty and than pull something like that.

I had to go to the second page to find something inappropriate. Just saying.



Finally my strongest point

I don't know how to respond to this. All I can really say is i'm not trying to fool anyone. I'm trying to enforce the rules the best I can. I'm not trying to make people quit, or hurt anyones feelings or pick any sort of favorites. I'm just trying to uphold the law here. You got to view this from the moderation teams perspective for a moment and think about the fact that when multiple people are complaining about racism, we sort of have to act.

I'm saying this as more of an appeal to reason than anything when I say asphy's name is not inappropriate; it was not meant to be inappropriate, and the bits of it that can be viewed as inappropriate - you have to twist the name to get there.

Honestly guys, we aren't the bad guys here I swear, we are just trying to enforce the rules. And at the end of the day I have a strong dislike for any racism of any level, and i'm not going to allow any of it on the server. You should hear me in the ventrilo channels, I get very angry when people get racist; and its my opinion that a name that has been widely interpreted as racist deserves to be banned.

 

Thank you for looking into this a little more, Fairness and understanding is the goal....

 

Btw is there even a method to change minecraft login names? Perhaps offensive names should be given the opportunity and time to take those avenues. I do also believe asphyXiatorslove's name is only being attacked due to his/her position as a mod and the recent banning of an offensive name. However those points are still valid.

When i first got minecraft I didn't even know this had multiplayer. I feel bad for guys with names like 'shitblocks'', 3333333333333334, and similar.

Mods here are great, and do a good job. Keep it up.

 

Chinkmeister even admitted the name was the racial slur but thought it was ok as long as he was asian descent. What about other asians that aren't ok with it? This server has hundreds of people. Do we tell the offended ones, its ok, he thinks its funny, he isn't trying to offend you? I could understand if the word chink was being used differently but it simply isn't and the name owner acknowledges that fact. Only people that liked the guy have suggested other definitions of the word. I don't know him, never had any interaction with him, I just know I am offended everytime I have seen the name. I would of reported it sooner had I realized it would slip past the resident application process etc. I assumed if not taken care of before then it would be at that point. Monkeybutt added him and accepted the application. I realize alot of mods are younger and maybe not as familiar with the rules when they are new so perhaps that explains it going thru.

Willingly choosing a name for your account on anything with a racial slur intentionally should be realized as a bad idea.

 

Alright, just so you know that the link you provided for the definition of chink has the racial slur mentioned further below. Multiple words can have multiple meanings, and my screen name has never had a sexual idea behind it. Nor does it come out and say that it is sexual, period. People just make assumptions.
How ever, since you used that link to describe what chink is, this was directly taken from it as well.

"
Chink or taboo Chinky (tʃɪŋk, ˈtʃɪŋkɪ)

— n , — adj , pl Chinks , Chinkies
an old-fashioned and highly derogatory term for Chinese

[C20: probably from Chinese, influenced by chink 1 (referring to the characteristic shape of the Chinese eye)]"

As well as being on the note of that website, type in asphyxiator and read the definitions. Not a single one is sexual.

 

Well he got through the resident app. which mean not everyone finds his name offensive, also if it really does offend you there is always the /ignore command on the server, it is there to be used, and unless there is someway to change his name, I don't think he should be punished for having a name like that, but this is coming from me who is someone that is not easily offended by people aliases.

To WeWinAgain's post, if you want to me state a counter argument i will but i will rather have this topic simmer down before we start making this issue larger than it needs to be, I'm surprised it went this far myself.

 

People should never be forced to use /ignore to avoid these kinds of offending names. By that logic, we should allow people to go around the server spamming whatever they want because "People can ignore them".

 

@generaljoecool

You are always welcome to send me a PM on the forums and I'll answer there. (that goes for everyone)

 

First of all, I'm a neutral party, because I don't know any of you guys at all, but I've read all your comments. Valid points from the original poster; kudos for having the guts to bring such an issue to light.

To Wallybean, are you seriously offended by an avatar online named chinkmeister? Let's be adult about this. The internet is amuck with such monikers, how have you been able to tolerate yourself online? I'm Asian myself and though I don't endorse foul language/behavior on the server I pride myself enough to not be offended by such trivial, arbitrary things. If you can't take jeers with a light of heart and be able to laugh at yourself you're going to encounter some serious problems down the path of life, my friend...

The ECC wiki team either needs to update the server rules clarifying that "any player with controversially offensive names are not allowed to join the server" or allow players with names like "chinkmeister" or "asphyxiatorslove" to play without taking interest to what their names are.

And enough with all of these pulling up defintions of words from online sources to prove your points. Clearly, no side will sway here.

On a side note...
"Mods, we win again"
- wewinagain

 

I realize asians ignore and overcome racism probably better then any other race I have encountered. However your argument is flawed. Yes I have seen many worse names on the internet. It doesn't make it ok or something that should be tolerated on a server that says in the rules it will not tolerate racism. Just because you and him are ok with people using the term doesn't mean its now fine with everyone else. I have black friends/relatives that would not blink an eye if I started dropping the n-bomb but that doesn't mean the rest of the world or this server would nor should give me a pass on it if I was dumb enough to use it.

 

It's not about how you feel about it, or how you think anyone that's insulted about it will have a horrible future. If it makes the gaming experience unplayable or just...insulting for several players, it shouldn't be kept on the server.

Clearly nobody really cared about Asphy's name until they knew the definition, and who is actually insulted by it compared to agreeing with the fact it's "Not appropriate"? If nobody has been bringing it up to the staff that they think it's insulting, then I don't see the problem here. The only other problem about it is about it being "sexual", which doesn't even matter because it's not something that a lot of people have the slightest idea about, so it cannot effect the younger players on the server like spamming a swear word or acting/saying obvious sexual things would.

 

When using dictionaries its important to understand how words are added and what words they exclude. In the case of reference.com its important to note that a lot of words are added without restrictions.

It's important to read all the information, while the first definition of Chink is usable in defence, it is not the only meaning this word has, from the same link we see:

Chink or taboo Chinky (tʃɪŋk, ˈtʃɪŋkɪ)
— n , — adj , pl Chinks , Chinkies
an old-fashioned and highly derogatory term for Chinese
[C20: probably from Chinese, influenced by chink 1 (referring to the characteristic shape of the Chinese eye)]
Chinky or taboo Chinky
— n , — adj
[C20: probably from Chinese, influenced by chink 1 (referring to the characteristic shape of the Chinese eye)]

This is not acceptable and this is how a lot this name is used. ECC has many members and simply seeing this name isn't respectful to this Race.

Players like Staff don't know everything that happens here at ECC, Asphyxiatorslove will lead to bad things in Google, but so too will Barney and Friends, Count Dracular, Elmo, and if anyone is old enough Noddy was removed from television because of google search results linking to things that shouldn't be linked to.

We have to make choices that are hard to bear, that is we have to see a name and see if that name is offensive at face value. The player that was banned had a very offensive name. And unfortantly is not able to progress to the second level we can use.

If a player has a borderline name, we monitor that person, and see what their actions are like on the sever, Asphyxiatorslove will have gone through that process, and would have been found to be worthy of exception. Otherwise Asphy wouldn't still be here.

At the end of the day, players are not privy to what goes on in the staff areas, and there are good reasons for not making a lot of information public.

Choices he made years ago, are now a repercussion of his bad choice. His nature/personality isn't enough to 'make okay' his bad choice of a name.

 

I don't think anyone saw the sexual "second meaning" behind Asphy's name until long after he was already a Moderator+. His name is not obvious to be sexual, and many, many people didn't and haven't noticed how it could be taken wrongly. I'm betting much, much fewer users have seen his name wrong as they have with chinkmeister's. It went pretty quick with people noticing the obvious racism in chinkmeister's name. His name is far more obvious to be taken wrongly, and has a lot more well-known definition(s) for being wrong. Asphy's name is not that way in the slightest.

I see points on both ends, but Asphy's name has bothered very, very few users. It's not a common word and many people don't question "strange" names or even look them up.

 

This is ridiculous, if Chink got banned for an innappropriate name, then so should asphy, I mean seriously, how many people took offence to his name! Whoever did is a pussy and needs to man up.
Neither Asphy or Chink make racist or sexual claims and if the banning system is "equal" then Asphy should be banned too.

 

-.- So your saying that if a user would come on and have his/her name Ni**erMiester every should just leave that alone and "Man up and stop being a pussy?" Ch**k is just as bad as any racist word! you my sir need to learn your place and not call people pussy's for taking offence to a offensive name

 

There is a new topic on this topic in the general section on the forums
http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15376
Maybe you could redirect this 'chat' to this topic?